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0 pointslovich2y ago0 comments

That’s still just theft if you’re not a contractor? Full time software employees are doing work for hire. There’s plenty of moral and ideological arguments about theft being morally acceptable in this situation but I was more marveling at the people who thought that taking source code from their company was legally not theft

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concordDance2y ago

It's not theft, it's copyright infringement and is very morally and practically different from theft.

The range of circumstances in which it is morally acceptable are MUCH broader.

troupe2y ago

There are situations where developers emailed/cloud uploaded/took hard drive of code they had been working on when he left the organization and were looking at prison sentences for theft...not copyright infringement. They didn't even give it to someone or reuse it somewhere. Just the fact of trying to keep it when they left as illegal.

All that to say that in some circumstances taking source code is considered theft.

concordDance2y ago

Got a link?

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pl4nty2y ago

in my country, copying source code is definitely theft and is contractually enforced. but reproducing similar concepts/architectures from memory happens often

whimsicalism2y ago

It's quite literally IP theft, not just copyright infringement.

concordDance2y ago

Your jurisdiction may have a law called "IP theft" or it may not, either way the moral category of "theft" does nor apply.

(Also, if it was theft this particular example would be theft in the same way that taking a book from someone's recycling bin would be theft: no one is worse off)

aragonite2y ago

1. Suppose the OP did not take the source code files, but memorized the source code and later recalled it from memory. Would that be theft?

2. Suppose the OP neither took the file nor memorized the code, but had photographic memory and replayed the exact visual scenes during their creation of the utility functions and copied down the code from what they saw in their mind's eye. Would that be theft?

3. Suppose the OP was solving a seemingly novel problem and suddenly remembered how they solved the exact same problem when they were employed by company X. Are they obligated to banish this solution from their mind?

xmcqdpt22y ago

> 1. Suppose the OP did not take the source code files, but memorized the source code and later recalled it from memory. Would that be theft?

It is copyright infringement, yes. That's why clean room implementations are done by someone who hasn't seen the original source code,

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clean_room_design

For the other examples, it depends but I'm pretty sure a copyright infringement case for either of them wouldn't be immediately thrown out. IANAL but I do know that law is quite fuzzy.

ttfkam2y ago

Suppose the OP wrote the original source code files and recreated them from their own intuition of the problem. Would that be theft?

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concordDance2y ago

It's not theft, it's copyright infringement and is very morally and practically different from theft.

The range of circumstances in which it is morally acceptable are MUCH broader.

troupe2y ago

All that to say that in some circumstances taking source code is considered theft.

concordDance2y ago

Got a link?

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pl4nty2y ago

in my country, copying source code is definitely theft and is contractually enforced. but reproducing similar concepts/architectures from memory happens often

whimsicalism2y ago

It's quite literally IP theft, not just copyright infringement.

concordDance2y ago

Your jurisdiction may have a law called "IP theft" or it may not, either way the moral category of "theft" does nor apply.

(Also, if it was theft this particular example would be theft in the same way that taking a book from someone's recycling bin would be theft: no one is worse off)

aragonite2y ago

1. Suppose the OP did not take the source code files, but memorized the source code and later recalled it from memory. Would that be theft?

xmcqdpt22y ago

> 1. Suppose the OP did not take the source code files, but memorized the source code and later recalled it from memory. Would that be theft?

It is copyright infringement, yes. That's why clean room implementations are done by someone who hasn't seen the original source code,

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clean_room_design

For the other examples, it depends but I'm pretty sure a copyright infringement case for either of them wouldn't be immediately thrown out. IANAL but I do know that law is quite fuzzy.

ttfkam2y ago

Suppose the OP wrote the original source code files and recreated them from their own intuition of the problem. Would that be theft?

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse