Snowden revealed, among other things, that the NSA did state espionage on Brazil's state oil company, Petrobras
https://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/09/world/americas/nsa-spied-...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/09/nsa-spying-bra...
https://g1.globo.com/fantastico/noticia/2013/09/nsa-document...
International relations are based on reciprocity. I sincerely think that if the US didn't think that industrial espionage would be a legitimate activity of intelligence agencies, they wouldn't practice it themselves.
For instance it’s hard to believe China bootstrapped BYD and GWM among others from green fields. They’ve been exfiltrating and transferring automotive technology for decades. Their products are often near duplicates of other brands - such as the fiat case:
https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-news/spot-the-difference-ca...
These aren’t cheap knock offs, they have a relatively high quality and with stolen R&D it’s easy to produce at a low cost - the cost can’t be explained by labor alone, as automakers outside China have access to similarly low cost labor.
Note, I don’t think China is incapable of making their own R&D at the same quality as anywhere else; they can. But they don’t when they don’t have to.
The next few decades will see a huge realignment as the decades of theft and forced transfer will begin to seriously pay off.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_espionage#France_an...
Actually, the above quote is not Trump and not on China. It's Ronald Raegan on Japan in 1985.
When a new economic threat rises, the US will use the same playbook- demonizing in media, accusations, turn the public against said country, ban products, increase tariffs from said country, turn to allies, etc.
I’m down with China as a competitor, but we have a strong division between state and industry and China does not. I don’t think a unipolar world is a good idea, and I’m glad for a resurgent China. But it’s absurd to put on blinders and believe forced technology transfer and industrial espionage isn’t a cornerstone of their success.
https://www.investopedia.com/forced-technology-transfer-ftt-...
https://www.csis.org/programs/strategic-technologies-program...
At several megacorps seeking access to Chinese markets we were forced to transfer crucial trade secrets in exchange for access. We did our best to render it as useless as possible, but it was still very key stuff. Over two decades the Chinese government erected barrier after barrier even after complying to the point that the market access failed and competitors based on our technology dominated the domestic Chinese economy.
I see your parallel comments where you vigorously decry these statements as some sort of nationalism and anti Chinese sentiment. This isn’t that - this is simple historical fact, and I have had first hand experience with it and know the game being played from personal experience. I assumed this was all common knowledge given how much press it’s gotten over the last twenty years, which makes me wonder why you’re grinding this contrarian axe so hard?
Edit: I would note that this is fundamentally different from counterfeiting. This is capturing R&D directly at the top end of technology and processes through extortion and outright theft. I don’t actually blame China or Chinese people, it’s just a cultural difference in what’s acceptable and a belief that the state and industry are separate, which China doesn’t agree with. But the lesson to be learned is China doesn’t play by our rules, and we need to adapt to the situation better.
Good, I was surprised at the claim that trump would say something so balanced.
What's "demonizing" about this? It doesn't even mention a specific country.
"accusations" are not a problem if they're true...
Didnt Huawei steal from Nortel?
