The “+” tagging was a great idea, but the fact that incorrect address matching has become a “feature” (and not fixed over decades) plus constant spates of spam has made me believe there’s nobody left at the helm who actually understands e-mail.
I’ve kept my Gmail addresses for some mailing-lists, but moved everything of consequence to better providers.
Genuinely confused - which other people? There are no other people with your Gmail address but added/removed '.' characters. What you're seeing is people sending emails to the wrong email address - nothing to do with presence or absence of '.' characters.
Allowing addresses to subtly differ based on '.' presence/absence would result in more wrongly addressed emails, hence the aliasing.
I've been getting wrong Gmail emails all the time for years because a woman in Saskatchewan keeps getting her email wrong when signing up to stuff online. Quite funny really but nothing to do with .'s
It is quite the odd situation. I reply to their friends saying they have the wrong email, but they don’t seem to believe me. And they keep signing up for things despite presumably never being able to actually access many of these services that require email verification.
My guess is it is someone not very computer literate. But it is always amusing.
The most humerus conversation I got added to involved a local residential community dispute where everyone assumed my insistence of being removed from the thread was actually my namesake trying to avoid the conversation.
His wife finally stepped in to resolve the situation.
I have the same problem but multiplied by 25x due to having a <first initial><last name> gmail address from 2004 when it was still invite only. It’s really annoying that there’s so many services that don’t verify email addresses…
Somewhat surprisingly to me, "anecdatum" has apparently never yet appeared in print [0], and I'm happy for the two of us to share credit in coining it.
That is not how it works, you own every combination of your email address with dots left of @ automatically.
if you own foo@gmail.com, then nobody else can own f.oo@gmail.com because you own it, it's an alias of your email address esentially.
Meaning they can just strip out the dots when matching email addresses: either on login/signup or mail routing.
"Fixing" that would break a documented feature millions of people depend on.
I wish it was just edge cases! I've bumped into so many services that can't handle "+" in email addresses, some seem to be on purpose (presumably to prevent signing up multiple accounts to the same address) but others are just old school bugs. My fav is services that send the email address to an API including the email address as a URL parameter, but forget to escape the email address so the + gets butchered in the process.
And just to put it out there: "+" addresses aren't specifically a Gmail thing, they've been supported by most(?) mail servers for a very long time.
So I mean at my Gmail I have all manner of different Facebook accounts with various misspelling of my email address notifying me of stuff, none of them are mine. I'm sure they entered my email address (with dots) by accident, not on purpose.
I appreciate that sites not allowing you to register the same email address twice hardly solves everything, as I absolutely get email to my actual correct Gmail address from random sites I've never signed up for. But at least it would help in certain cases like Facebook where I do have an account.
experts.exchang@gmail.com
expert.sexchange@gmail.com
Those addresses would be identical by Gmail's parsing conventions.My email: name.alias@gmail, because already exists namealias@gmail. Ok the email Work fine for 4y before this feature exists, after if email send exacly works but the problem i am started reciving email for the other user and this is e-mail is not cool.
After 10y i give up of gmail and moved to my domain
imagine that someone else has an address namesurname@gmail.com
this is very similar case to my mom's one. she constantly gets emails meant for someone else - including PII - because she has no dot in email, but the other party has a dot.
I know for sure that her's account is quite old one.
I’d pay to block the “full stop ignore” feature.
How dose ignoring dots cause you to receive other peoples mail?
I have used “.” Variations to create multiple accounts on a service.
I wonder what the limit is?
Can I do …first.name@ and first……name@ and so on for infinite names!
iCloud has auto anonymous emailing with plus, Firefox does to, but tying my services to such a feature rather than even just an email seems fragile.
But sometimes handy to fool sign ups and use it twice (or more depending on length). I wonder if you can use multiple dots?
You can also use foo+extra@gmail.com and the +extra will be ignored, so you can give each service a separate email address like foo+hn@gmail.com.
Beware, as I found out the hard way, this makes account recovery more difficult. To reset your password you need to enter your email address usually. But if you used +foo stuff then you might not be able to remember what email address you used.
Which can create problems with services who don't consider them the same. A decade or so ago I had an awful time trying to sort out two of my Xbox Live accounts that only varied by the dot, and couldn't figure out why I was still being charged when my account page said it was canceled.
What other providers do you recommend?
-latest reply all on every reply-all storm.
In my early days at Amazon, around 2012-2015, this would happen frequently enough [0]. I pretty quickly learned the best thing to do was to ignore the conversation and never think about it again rather than try to 'help'.
[0] - too many new products and orgs set up new mailing lists with 5000+ people on it, most of whom had no idea what it was. Growing pains.
The management had to chime in and sometimes threatened people with punishment if they continued participating to the reply-all storm.
If you ignored the conversation you may not have seen it, but most reply-all storm ended up with someone saying something the line of "we don't care about your wallet".
Anyway, asking people to stop hitting the reply-all button is far from being the latest reply-all on these kind of things...
Not quite. It started with a meeting invite that was accidentally sent to everyone. The meeting was for the Amazon Wallet team (I think they did something with payments, etc.) for whatever work they were doing at the time.
Most people ignored the meeting invite and just deleted it, but someone hit "Reply All" and said something to the effect of "I know this meeting invite was not for me, but I wanted to make sure that whoever was supposed to get it did not miss the meeting."
From there, it turned into a "Reply All" storm with lots of people replying all with "Please do not reply all".
Others thought it was funny and sent memes. One guy was so bold to promote his indie rock band that was taking off.
The incident is famous and became known as "Wallet", but the name comes from the Amazon Wallet team.
It really simplified things.
If someone is bothered by such a thread, it's really easy to avoid.
It was a very expensive email for sure.
I admit have been tempted to respond to some reply-all maelstrom mailstorms to herald the mute key…
If you own foo@gmail.com, you also own every combination of it using dots left of the @. for example:
f.oo@gmail.com
fo.o@gmail.com
Nobody else can register these addresses because they're all owned by foo@gmail.com automatically.
I sent email to aaaaa.a@gmail and to aaa.aaa@gmail and receive both.
I remember a Lotus Notes-based on in a bank I worked at the early 90's. I think it only stopped when the Chief of Staff did a reply-all with "The next person to reply-all to these emails is sacked."
"I am currently on leave" could be the Wikipedia page.
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