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0 pointshardwaresofton2y ago0 comments

Write them for Pulumi!

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ris2y ago

Firstly I don't have any particular faith in them either given their business model appears to be sending them towards a similar path. Secondly, I think encouraging people to write their infra configuration in a general purpose imperative language is quite possibly the worst idea I've ever encountered. As botched an attempt Hashicorp made at designing HCL, they at least had the good sense to make it declarative.

jen202y ago

> I think encouraging people to write their infra configuration in a general purpose imperative language is quite possibly the worst idea I've ever encountered.

Good news: Pulumi is also entirely declarative. The model is what matters in this regard, not the syntax used to express it.

hardwaresoftonOP2y ago

Perfectly put.

To add to this, having the full expressive power of a programming language for syntax is the way to go. When you have to add explicit looping in your DSL, it’s time to not use a DSL.

HCL is my least favorite part of the hashicorp ecosystem.

Also it’s not like you have to take my word for it — the trend towards CDKs shows that pulumis approach was right. They were just early

ris2y ago

This doesn't wash. The DOM is a declarative model, but that doesn't mean that a javascript program can't be a horror story of side effects and improperly grasped execution order.

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ris2y ago

jen202y ago

> I think encouraging people to write their infra configuration in a general purpose imperative language is quite possibly the worst idea I've ever encountered.

Good news: Pulumi is also entirely declarative. The model is what matters in this regard, not the syntax used to express it.

hardwaresoftonOP2y ago

Perfectly put.

To add to this, having the full expressive power of a programming language for syntax is the way to go. When you have to add explicit looping in your DSL, it’s time to not use a DSL.

HCL is my least favorite part of the hashicorp ecosystem.

Also it’s not like you have to take my word for it — the trend towards CDKs shows that pulumis approach was right. They were just early

ris2y ago

This doesn't wash. The DOM is a declarative model, but that doesn't mean that a javascript program can't be a horror story of side effects and improperly grasped execution order.

2 more replies

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse