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0 pointsza3faran2y ago0 comments

golang mainly ended up competing with and replacing the likes of python and ruby, where it was intended to compete with C and C++, where it didn't really change anything.

It makes sense in retrospect of course, python and ruby are slow, dynamically typed languages, and any improvement in performance and typing is welcome. It doesn't mean that golang is inherently better somehow to other offerings. I still maintain that Java and C# are superior languages and ecosystems.

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matwood2y ago

Good point. I know I'm just being bitter, but I still can't stand Python after dealing with the 2->3 transition. I code mostly Java and use Go where I might have reached for Python before. The Go built in libs make it so easy to build small CLI apps where I may have used scripting before. And the cross compile situation makes it easy to ship wherever. I'm not a PLT person, and Go is easy for me to simply solve problems with. Probably also why I'm fine using modern Java.

nateb20222y ago

Why C#? It definitely has its own niche, and is good for building userspace Windows apps and games, however beyond Windows I don't think it has neither an established presence nor ecosystem. If anything, C# attempts to be more of a Java replacement than address Go's niche.

Performance-wise, C# and Go are head-to-head: https://programming-language-benchmarks.vercel.app/go-vs-csh... I also would say Go has been much more adopted for cross-platform use than C# ever was. Regarding language features, Go's devotion to staying intentionally bare-bones is worth a lot. C# may be more elegant in a lot of ways, however it seems to be in the process of being choked by Microsoft's continuous feature-creep.

Capricorn24812y ago

C# has way, way more market share than Go as well as a bigger ecosystem and it's not even close. I would hardly call a Java replacement a "niche" since that's everywhere.

There are, of course, other benchmarks that rank c# above go, but benchmarks are flawed. I imagine people are comparing C# to go because it's got a pretty solid type system

nateb20222y ago

I would beg to differ.

On Github[0], Go currently sits at #3 for pull request volume (C# is at 10), #3 for stars (C# is at 8), #6 for pushes/commits (C# is at 10) and #6 for issues opened (C# is at 9). By each of those metrics, Go has a significantly more vibrant ecosystem than C#.

[0]: https://madnight.github.io/githut/#/pull_requests/2023/2

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makkesk82y ago

> however beyond Windows I don't think it has neither an established presence nor ecosystem

I'd respectfully disagree with this statement based on my personal experience. Ever since .NET Core was introduced, I've noticed a significant shift in the hosting of ASP.NET apps. Many developers, including myself, now prefer hosting applications in containers on Linux systems rather than relying solely on Windows. This change reflects a broader trend among C# developers.

While I understand that my perspective might not encompass the entire developer community, I strongly believe that the adoption of Linux-based hosting for ASP.NET applications has grown considerably. It demonstrates the expanding reach and influence of .NET Core beyond the Windows ecosystem, proving its establishment in other platforms.

Please note that this is solely my viewpoint based on my experiences and interactions with other developers. Other opinions may vary, but I remain confident in the growing prominence of .NET Core outside of the traditional Windows environment.

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matwood2y ago

nateb20222y ago

Capricorn24812y ago

C# has way, way more market share than Go as well as a bigger ecosystem and it's not even close. I would hardly call a Java replacement a "niche" since that's everywhere.

There are, of course, other benchmarks that rank c# above go, but benchmarks are flawed. I imagine people are comparing C# to go because it's got a pretty solid type system

nateb20222y ago

I would beg to differ.

[0]: https://madnight.github.io/githut/#/pull_requests/2023/2

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makkesk82y ago

> however beyond Windows I don't think it has neither an established presence nor ecosystem

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