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0 pointsmiohtama2y ago0 comments

What would happen in the ideal world:

- All online messenger providers (Whatsapp, Signal, Telegram) e.g. withdraw from the UK market. Meta and Google gave a taste for this after Canadian link law.

- UK needs to come up with a crappy homebrew messenger ecosystem no one uses. Maybe a messenger.gov.uk?

- People download applications with privacy and sideload them to their mobile phones, keep going with their business as usual

- The number of childs protected or caught pedophiles stays unchanged

- UK parliament members who proposed the bill will look like idiots, not getting re-elected

- The "compliance" companies who promoted these solutions, as it's driven by commercial interest that guides the political discussion, go bankcrupt

However I remain doubtful if we have this ideal scenario.

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b1122y ago

UK parliament members who proposed the bill will look like idiots, not getting re-elected

No one will lose re-election over a technical or scientific issue such as this. 99.9% of the public can't understand the position, the discussion, and will only listen to what fluff websites, and the parties tell them.

Now, is any party going to take up a "soft on pedophiles!" position? Because that's how it will be played...

blitzar2y ago

Haw haw the honourable member is AGAINST ONLINE SAFETY. Its a bit like trying to vote against the Patriot Act.

sneak2y ago

Closing the sideloading hole on Android then becomes the next step.

It's already a nonissue on the most popular device.

Eventually the sale of devices that don't include cryptographic controls to prevent terrorists from misusing them to evade terrorist surveillance will be outlawed.

jkaplowitz2y ago

In the EU (which I know no longer includes the UK), both Apple and Google will have to allow sideloading in their operating systems by early 2024, because they* are expected to be designated as gatekeepers under the new Digital Markets Act no later than early September 2023, and after being designated they’ll have six months to comply. So the feature to sideload will continue to exist in Android and will be added to iOS, although they could choose to enable it only in the EU or to block it in the UK.

*If you choose to fact-check this, be aware that technically the European Commission will be designating Alphabet, Google’s parent company, rather than one of the multiple subsidiaries with Google in its name. So the official EU communications about this may not mention the word Google.

mnw21cam2y ago

Remember that the Play Store uses encryption to download apps to the phone. If the law is enacted then this encrypted channel will technically need to be compromised too, which Google might also object to. If Google withdraw the Play Store from the UK, then what are they supposed to do?

This law doesn't just apply to messenger apps. It applies to almost every single act you perform on the internet. Everything will be mandated to be broken, including your browser. If you run a web server using https, you'll be breaking the law. If you ssh to another computer over the internet, you'll be breaking the law. If you connect to a VPN to access a work/university/school network or indeed a commercial VPN, you'll be breaking the law.

arsome2y ago

Stopping sideloading will never fix this issue, just having one non-cooperative external website would mean the scheme falls apart, you need to start blocking at the network level and aggressively pursuing people who bypass those blocks, making an example out of the first one that hits courts would likely be enough to scare all but the most dedicated out of such pursuits.

blitzar2y ago

- UK parliament members who proposed the bill will look like idiots, but get re-elected anyway

Some things never change.

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0 pointsmiohtama2y ago0 comments

What would happen in the ideal world:

- All online messenger providers (Whatsapp, Signal, Telegram) e.g. withdraw from the UK market. Meta and Google gave a taste for this after Canadian link law.

- UK needs to come up with a crappy homebrew messenger ecosystem no one uses. Maybe a messenger.gov.uk?

- People download applications with privacy and sideload them to their mobile phones, keep going with their business as usual

- The number of childs protected or caught pedophiles stays unchanged

- UK parliament members who proposed the bill will look like idiots, not getting re-elected

- The "compliance" companies who promoted these solutions, as it's driven by commercial interest that guides the political discussion, go bankcrupt

However I remain doubtful if we have this ideal scenario.

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b1122y ago

UK parliament members who proposed the bill will look like idiots, not getting re-elected

Now, is any party going to take up a "soft on pedophiles!" position? Because that's how it will be played...

blitzar2y ago

Haw haw the honourable member is AGAINST ONLINE SAFETY. Its a bit like trying to vote against the Patriot Act.

sneak2y ago

Closing the sideloading hole on Android then becomes the next step.

It's already a nonissue on the most popular device.

Eventually the sale of devices that don't include cryptographic controls to prevent terrorists from misusing them to evade terrorist surveillance will be outlawed.

jkaplowitz2y ago

mnw21cam2y ago

arsome2y ago

blitzar2y ago

- UK parliament members who proposed the bill will look like idiots, but get re-elected anyway

Some things never change.

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse