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0 pointsjqpabc1232y ago0 comments

Yes but you're missing the point.

The infrastructure needed to fully support hydrogen would take decades to develop. Starting with some way to efficiently manufacture hydrogen without using even more fossil fuels.

It's the stall that they wanted --- to give them more time to milk ICE and adapt.

There is no corresponding infrastructure delay for EVs which are already being adopted.

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Projectiboga2y ago

Toyota has actually pivoted and partnered with Mazada to share tech to fill watch other's gaps. Toyota is releasing a full electric car in about 12-15 months.

jqpabc123OP2y ago

Yes --- they're now being forced to play catch-up after their ridiculous attempt at diversion went nowhere.

Here is what they were spouting less than 2 years ago.

   “By promoting further collaboration in producing, transporting and using fuel in combination with internal combustion engines, the five companies aim to provide customers with greater choice”.

https://cleantechnica.com/2021/11/15/toyotas-team-japan-aims...

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_hypx2y ago

> There is no corresponding infrastructure delay for EVs which are already being adopted.

That's an utter fantasy. We are nowhere near having enough infrastructure to do this.

jqpabc123OP2y ago

There are currently over 150000 public charging points available all across the USA. And there are no technological issues to prevent more from being installed. At some point, more capacity will be needed but again --- no technological issues to prevent this.

Last time I looked there were less than 60 hydrogen refueling stations --- "pilot" projects in California put in place with government funding.

I rest my case. Like it or not, the decision has already been made by the marketplace --- the future is electric.

_hypx2y ago

You will need many millions of them, and enough generating capacity to power then all. That is many years away. Likely decades.

There's also no technological issue preventing the expansion of hydrogen stations. It's also worth noting that this directly replaces the gas station, both in number and location. This is not nearly as big of a challenge as you might think. Unlike charging stations, which must exist in much greater numbers and new locations.

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Projectiboga2y ago

Toyota has actually pivoted and partnered with Mazada to share tech to fill watch other's gaps. Toyota is releasing a full electric car in about 12-15 months.

jqpabc123OP2y ago

Yes --- they're now being forced to play catch-up after their ridiculous attempt at diversion went nowhere.

Here is what they were spouting less than 2 years ago.

   “By promoting further collaboration in producing, transporting and using fuel in combination with internal combustion engines, the five companies aim to provide customers with greater choice”.

https://cleantechnica.com/2021/11/15/toyotas-team-japan-aims...

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_hypx2y ago

> There is no corresponding infrastructure delay for EVs which are already being adopted.

That's an utter fantasy. We are nowhere near having enough infrastructure to do this.

jqpabc123OP2y ago

Last time I looked there were less than 60 hydrogen refueling stations --- "pilot" projects in California put in place with government funding.

I rest my case. Like it or not, the decision has already been made by the marketplace --- the future is electric.

_hypx2y ago

You will need many millions of them, and enough generating capacity to power then all. That is many years away. Likely decades.

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