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0 pointskaba02y ago0 comments

I think Kotlin differs far too much from Java — I don’t want all those plus features that will inevitably branch too far from the JVM/Java corresponding code, becoming its new thing.

I might want a nearly-Java language that only adds trivial syntax sugar, but are otherwise the same. Groovy sort of had a good initial idea here (being a superset of Java, though again, it has grown apart a bit since).

For me Kotlin lives in this weird limbo between these two extremes. If I want a different language on the JVM I would rather do Scala or Clojure.

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vips7L2y ago· 2 in thread

For me, if Kotlin is on the table I might as just use C# where the entire ecosystem is built around these concepts.

kaba0OP2y ago

I wouldn’t really leave behind the JVM ecosystem, which is much bigger and better quality than the .NET one from what I gathered (though it is still good and bigger than most other languages’). And other people’s code is the numero uno productivity boost, so it’s an important area.

vips7L2y ago

I think I would be fine with a smaller ecosystem. I've seen a lot of projects that have made bad choices in libraries because there are too many. Sometimes I feel like if there was just one blessed jdk way it would be a lot simpler. Honestly, the only thing that is keeping me from .NET right now is async/await. Pron really did Java a service by pushing for virtual threads.

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