Jak 2 Playable with OpenGOAL (opens in new tab)

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76 pointsphant0mas2y ago13 comments

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i wish i could have been a fly on the wall at naughty dog during the development of these games.

or better yet, i wish andy gavin would get so unbelievably bored that he would brain dump every last detail he remembers about designing and implementing goal, or share the source. it’s tragic that knowledge and experience will vanish

davexunit2y ago

Yeah he dumped a fair bit about GOOL, the precursor to GOAL for Crash Bandicoot, but not a peep about GOAL. Funny to see this on HN because I was just looking into all of this yesterday. I wish these old games could get a source release so we could just see the magic. PS1/PS2 era Naughty Dog and Insomniac were on another level. The decompiled GOAL code that's available is neat but it clearly is the code after macro expansion and potentially other passes have been done so it's no substitute for the original source.

phant0masOP2y ago

I think around the time of Jak 1 development they were acquired by Sony. As long as Sony doesn't shutdown the project, it's good enough!

johnnyanmac2y ago

I am intrigued why other games never tried to make a similar solution to GOAL. I read interviews with GOAL and heard how designers could edit properties on a running build in real time.

Some 2D centric engines have scripting languages to do similar feats, but Im guessing the complexity of games simply outstripped the ability to get tight iteration times.

phant0masOP2y ago

I think he has an account here, he will see your comment:D

bitwize2y ago

That runs a risk of infringing on Sony's copyrights and trade secrets. He won't do it.

agg232y ago

This is one of my favorite OSS gaming projects going on right now. Three quite good games that used a custom language being taken apart to reverse engineer the language and thus how the game ran.

NovaDudely2y ago

I love how hyper specific this project is, once complete it will run only 3 games. That is unless some of the code made it to the PSP games.

causality02y ago

Oh that would be incredible. I've been waiting almost two decades to play Daxter without the stupid-ass design decision to make "up" on the slide pad be slightly to the side of "straight forward" in the game.

opencl2y ago

That change seems like it would be pretty straightforward to implement in the input handling code of an emulator.

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kderbyma2y ago

3 masterpieces*

phant0masOP2y ago

probably Jak X as well

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BaculumMeumEst2y ago

i wish i could have been a fly on the wall at naughty dog during the development of these games.

davexunit2y ago

phant0masOP2y ago

I think around the time of Jak 1 development they were acquired by Sony. As long as Sony doesn't shutdown the project, it's good enough!

johnnyanmac2y ago

I am intrigued why other games never tried to make a similar solution to GOAL. I read interviews with GOAL and heard how designers could edit properties on a running build in real time.

Some 2D centric engines have scripting languages to do similar feats, but Im guessing the complexity of games simply outstripped the ability to get tight iteration times.

phant0masOP2y ago

I think he has an account here, he will see your comment:D

bitwize2y ago

That runs a risk of infringing on Sony's copyrights and trade secrets. He won't do it.

agg232y ago

This is one of my favorite OSS gaming projects going on right now. Three quite good games that used a custom language being taken apart to reverse engineer the language and thus how the game ran.

NovaDudely2y ago

I love how hyper specific this project is, once complete it will run only 3 games. That is unless some of the code made it to the PSP games.

causality02y ago

opencl2y ago

That change seems like it would be pretty straightforward to implement in the input handling code of an emulator.

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kderbyma2y ago

3 masterpieces*

phant0masOP2y ago

probably Jak X as well

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse