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0 pointstaeric2y ago0 comments

Certainly. But the premise was 'Nobody proclaims “Live to ride! Ride to live!” about cars.' Obviously, the bit about there being popular philosophy written around motorcycles is true, but I'm not sure that proves much?

I'm surprised you would say modern motorcycles aren't harder, honestly. Even modern bicycles are getting into the "you really can't do this without a dedicated shop" for a lot of things. Regular maintenance is easy enough. But that is true of cars. I'm always surprised when I hear folks have never changed brake pads. Drum brakes are a pain, sure, but most folks don't have drum brakes.

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ben77992y ago

I didn't mean modern motorcycles weren't more complicated than older motorcycles.

It's just nowhere near as severe as cars where the manufacturers are ultra hostile to the owner working on the car and even do their best to make it hard for independent mechanics & shops to work on it.

If cars were like motorcycles I doubt we'd have movements for right to repair.

taericOP2y ago

Right, I'm still surprised that motorcycles aren't just as hostile. Even tractors have gotten notorious for how user hostile they are.

ben77992y ago

In terms of your "Live to Ride, Ride to Live" comment I agree with you.

I don't think there's any evidence to suggest passionate motorcyclists are dramatically more passionate than car guys. Lots of car guys have their entire identity tied up in their choice of car and bury themselves financially to drive that car and are pretty much obsessed with it.

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radiorental2y ago

They have, at least the high end KTMs and BMWs. You simply can't work on them yourself anymore.

Fortunately there's a constant flow of user friendly "low end" bikes coming out of Japan, India and China.

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red-iron-pine2y ago

> Even tractors have gotten notorious for how user hostile they are

Stock prices have to go up, and that means subscription models and pay-to-fix

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ben77992y ago

I didn't mean modern motorcycles weren't more complicated than older motorcycles.

If cars were like motorcycles I doubt we'd have movements for right to repair.

taericOP2y ago

Right, I'm still surprised that motorcycles aren't just as hostile. Even tractors have gotten notorious for how user hostile they are.

ben77992y ago

In terms of your "Live to Ride, Ride to Live" comment I agree with you.

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radiorental2y ago

They have, at least the high end KTMs and BMWs. You simply can't work on them yourself anymore.

Fortunately there's a constant flow of user friendly "low end" bikes coming out of Japan, India and China.

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red-iron-pine2y ago

> Even tractors have gotten notorious for how user hostile they are

Stock prices have to go up, and that means subscription models and pay-to-fix

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse