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0 pointsjorvi2y ago0 comments

It is not that clear cut for Western Europe.

- Germany sends letters and fines

- Czech Republic doesn’t send letters or fines

- The Netherlands doesn’t send letters or fines (unless you share an absolutely ludicrous amount)

- Belgium doesn’t send letters or fines

- UK sends letters and fines

- France sends letters (tiny chance of a fine)

- Switzerland doesn’t send letters or fines

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graftak2y ago

Note that in the Netherlands right holders can request ISPs to proxy their letters but those ISPs are not allowed to share the home addresses or any other personal information so it’s neigh impossible for a right holder to get hold of a torrent user.

zirgs2y ago

Makes sense. If ISPs were allowed to share home addresses then a lot of creeps and scammers could abuse that system.

mmh00002y ago

Welcome to America!

ISPs do that, but it's a lot worse if you consider your mobile provider to be an ISP.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamtanner/2013/07/10/data-brok...

https://www.vice.com/en/article/nepxbz/i-gave-a-bounty-hunte...

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copperx2y ago

Imagine being doxxed by your own ISP.

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rerdavies2y ago

The situation is the same for Canadians: we get proxied letters, but rightsholders have no access to our personal identification.

Goz3rr2y ago

It should be noted that (as far as I know) none of those are actually fines. It's private companies that track down pirates, and they cannot give out fines. They send you a settlement proposal, saying either pay this or risk being sued.

tigeroil2y ago

Does the UK send letters and fines? I haven't torrented without a VPN for years but the worst I ever heard anyone getting was a letter from the ISP saying "that was very naughty, please don't do it again".

abwizz2y ago

almost like copyright enforcement goes hand in hand with your country's relation to the US

jorviOP2y ago

The Netherlands is very cozy with the US and yet enforcement is pretty lax, so I don’t think that’s the deciding factor.

Scotch32972y ago

Spain doesn't send letters or fines

scotty792y ago

Do you know what's the situation in Portugal?

chikitabanana2y ago

in France you can be blacklisted from all ISPs

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0 pointsjorvi2y ago0 comments

It is not that clear cut for Western Europe.

- Germany sends letters and fines

- Czech Republic doesn’t send letters or fines

- The Netherlands doesn’t send letters or fines (unless you share an absolutely ludicrous amount)

- Belgium doesn’t send letters or fines

- UK sends letters and fines

- France sends letters (tiny chance of a fine)

- Switzerland doesn’t send letters or fines

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graftak2y ago

zirgs2y ago

Makes sense. If ISPs were allowed to share home addresses then a lot of creeps and scammers could abuse that system.

mmh00002y ago

Welcome to America!

ISPs do that, but it's a lot worse if you consider your mobile provider to be an ISP.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamtanner/2013/07/10/data-brok...

https://www.vice.com/en/article/nepxbz/i-gave-a-bounty-hunte...

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copperx2y ago

Imagine being doxxed by your own ISP.

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rerdavies2y ago

The situation is the same for Canadians: we get proxied letters, but rightsholders have no access to our personal identification.

Goz3rr2y ago

tigeroil2y ago

abwizz2y ago

almost like copyright enforcement goes hand in hand with your country's relation to the US

jorviOP2y ago

The Netherlands is very cozy with the US and yet enforcement is pretty lax, so I don’t think that’s the deciding factor.

Scotch32972y ago

Spain doesn't send letters or fines

scotty792y ago

Do you know what's the situation in Portugal?

chikitabanana2y ago

in France you can be blacklisted from all ISPs

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse