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0 pointstshaddox2y ago0 comments

I’m not convinced by the common wisdom that “consumers demand longer battery range.” That’s especially irrelevant to the “second car” market which surely must be pretty big. I think it comes down more to how ridiculously cheap gas is (despite incessant complaints) and how long it would take most people to come out ahead even just buying a hybrid instead of a pure EV. It sure would be nice if gas were more expensive!

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fps-hero2y ago

It seems that EVs are stuck in the range wars, the headline spec for an EV above all else is its kWh and range. It’s ridiculous, no ICE car gets marketed by range, and if they did you’d find that EVs are about on par range wise, they are just less convenient to refuel.

The value proposition of a hybrid makes EVs difficult to stomach, why get one EV when you can get two hybrids for the same price? Toyota will 100% jump on EVs once they become economical, but until then they are still making the car for the masses.

michaelt2y ago

> It’s ridiculous, no ICE car gets marketed by range,

That's because every ICE car gets 400-600 miles per tank, and there are filling stations essentially everywhere.

For EVs, more range compensates for all concerns about charging availability.

All the chargers at work were busy? No problem if you've got several days of range.

Loved ones live in the middle of nowhere, with limited options for charging en route? Friend living in a flat who can't help you charge over night? Not a problem if you've got plenty of range.

Changed jobs and got a longer commute, or lost access to charging at work? Not a problem with 300 miles of range.

En route chargers along your route only charge at a meagre 40 miles per hour? Competing charger networks mean you only have access to some chargers? 300 miles of range means you can just go to a better one.

Worried about battery degradation with age, or lower battery performance due to your area's weather? Want to use the fastest charging, which only charges to 80% capacity? If you've got range to spare, no problem.

The situation will probably be different in a decade or two, when every gas station gets equipped to charge EVs at 300+ miles per hour.

londons_explore2y ago

EV's range wars matter to consumers because charging at home can be a quarter of the cost of charging at a supercharger.

If your ICE car gasoline cost 4x the price at any gas station except your home one, then you too would want a tank as big as possible.

fooker2y ago

> you’d find that EVs are about on par range wise.

Practical sedans in the same category as the Model 3 like Nissan Altima and Chevy Malibu get more than 550 miles of range.

If ICEs really wanted to compete on range, they could easily extend this to a thousand miles and be still lighter than current EVs.

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