Correct. And that (along with everything else related to it) is why I won't own a car that was made too recently.
Anyway, if you don't want to use vehicles which communicate with a server then good for you. Really. But if you’re taking such a stance I hope it’s based on informed data and consistent principles and not cringy FUD.
There is nothing that leads me to believe that a Tesla is a “surveillance platform” despite it being a machine that is capable of becoming one. It’s a car. It gets me from A to B. Thats the agreement I have with the manufacturer. I primarily use my app/phone instead of physical keys. I opt in to sharing diagnostic info with Tesla to improve the experience. It’s all pretty above board.
None that I'm aware of.
> Tesla comms are encrypted.
Which is very good, but still leaves the problem of Tesla getting the data.
> if you’re taking such a stance I hope it’s based on informed data and consistent principles and not cringy FUD.
I'm taking this stance because the history of the tech industry's practices in this area is full of so much abuse that nobody gets the benefit of the doubt anymore.
> Thats the agreement I have with the manufacturer.
I'm glad that you are comfortable with that level of trust with Tesla (or any car company). I am not. Which is, I suppose, why you'll own a Tesla and I won't.
Let me put it this way. In this case, specifically, what you're claiming is pretty outrageous and, if true, sounds like something I should take more seriously too. If you can give me examples of Tesla abusing users' trust and operating in a way that is not in accordance with their privacy policy, user consent, and/or general understanding of techno-decency, then please surface the evidence to support your claims so I can consider your argument more seriously. Otherwise what you're claiming does not align with my experience owning a Tesla and my knowledge about how they're designed and engineered.
The pragmatic in me understands that there is always a risk that a future software update will change the behavior of a product in a way that is not in my interests. That is a risk I take by using any software product and something that responsible people keep an eye on, agreed. I'm just not going to categorically avoid software that can be updated out of fear that it could start spying on me. If it starts spying on me without my consent, good bye.
I also understand that we may even have different tolerances for living with connected hardware and software. If you're the type of person that compiles their own firmware and updates their own devices offline after personally vetting the software, I'd buy your concern about trust a little more too. But honestly it just sounds more like you're saying "yuck Tesla, I wouldn't trust them to build a respectful product", while ignoring the fact that you're likely posting this from a smartphone, if you know what I mean.
Why can't we just hold the opinion that HTTP and operating an automobile are two separate things entirely?
I've been driving for 20 years without web crap and I've never sensed the need to share telemetry with anyone during that process.
I guess because people want to listen to Spotify while they drive and have navigation data fed to their HUD...
