So the 1 star is for inducing cognitive dissonance. I shall not be reminded that you know where I am and what I do 24/7!
The (albeit false) implication, is that when you're not sharing your location, /you're not sharing your location/.
These people likely believe that their location is private and only used when they /explicitly/ enable location sharing features. To us, that's obvious - to the lay person, it's not. It's an extremely common (and gross) dark pattern.
I'm not so sure. I'm completely unable to keep in mind the amount of companies that get my data and what data they are getting, when they are getting / using it, and how.
It's not just out of control, but impossible to even imagine.
A Prime Minister came along with a Finance Minister who strongly believed that Canadians should see where their money was going. So they took that Manufacturer's Tax and turned it into a highly visible revenue neutral replacement called the Goods and Services Tax.
People were furious about the GST. His government lost the next election by a landslide. All because someone thought people should see where their money was going.
Also, the whole “know where your money is going” is a highly ideological argument. I know where my money is going when the highly publicized tax rates are changed in a budget. In most countries news organizations will spend weeks every year, if not months, discussing the expected changes in the budget.
In the meanwhile, I have absolutely 0 idea what percentage of the money I’m paying to buy a coke is going to pay lobbyists and politicians to ensure they can continue using HFCS, and preventing proper labeling from being implemented, or what percentage of the money goes into advertising to ensure kids (and I stay hooked onto Coke), or what percentage of my money goes to ensure they get primary access to all the water in a region already suffering from drought, etc.
From an article published in the Canadian Tax Journal, written by an attorney [1]: "The GST was introduced in 1991 as a 7 percent VAT, replacing the federal sales tax (FST). The FST was a manufacturers’ sales tax, which applied at 13.5 percent at the wholesale level to a limited number of goods and which was almost entirely invisible to consumers.
"The GST applies to most supplies of property and services in Canada, and is imposed on the purchaser. The key feature that makes it a VAT is that most businesses can claim refunds, by way of input tax credit, for most or all of the GST that they pay on purchases."
In addition, a Government of Canada publication also explains that GST does not apply to exports, in contrast to its predecessor [2]:
"The GST is a sales tax which applies to final consumption at a fixed rate of 7%. Whereas the former FST was a hidden tax on the manufacture of goods, including those exported for foreign consumption, the GST is a visible tax on the value added at each stage of production and distribution of goods and services – which makes it a multi-stage tax – and applies only to consumption within Canada."
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In summary, there were other differences between GST and its predecessor. GST has applied to only consumption within Canada, whereas the former FST also applied to exports.
Also, GST was paid directly by customers, rather than by companies (who had the option of making customers pay). It's possible that in many cases, customers ended up paying the same total amount after GST's introduction—in cases where companies may have lowered their prices to offset the new final total price due to the GST. But in other cases, it's plausible that companies kept their prices the same or didn't lower prices completely offset the tax, leading to increased prices on necessary goods and services for customers.
In the end, according to analysts and newspaper columnists years later [3] [4], people with backgrounds in economics concluded that GST was good for Canada's economy, as the change provided a simplification of the taxation system that encouraged investment.
But this positive effect is a bit different, though related to your comment: it looks like the positive effects of GST were largely based on encouraging investment, rather than based on the principle of transparency to consumers. These were interesting reads, though; thanks for raising the discussion.
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Sources:
[1] Canadian Tax Journal: https://ctf.ca//ctfweb/Documents/PDF/2009ctj/09ctj4-policy.p...
[2] Government of Canada: https://publications.gc.ca/Collection-R/LoPBdP/BP/prb0003-e.....
[3] The Globe and Mail: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/the-gst-hated-by-man...
[4] CBC News: https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/gst-not-all-that-bad-say-ta...
Kinda crazy how quickly data spreads and how quietly companies share data and how little control users really have (without becoming luddites).
Also worth noting that as a free user I have been able to remove it from the list that is shown on the web version of Snapchat [1], but that change doesn't carry over to the mobile app.
It implicitly acknowledges that it's a bad feature that people might actually pay to get rid of.
Also there's a second support article which also currently contains that same quote but used to read: "Only Snapchat+ subscribers can remove My AI from their Chat feed at this time." [1]
[1]: https://web.archive.org/web/20230419122413/https://help.snap...
I want to interact with people, and I don't want computers to pretend to be people.
Only using it on my Pixel so I only saw the Play Store reviews alongside a few articles online. But they were pummeled with 1* reviews and a week later...no more Bing icon that I can't remove from my otherwise fine keyboard.
Unfortunately we're about to see a lot more garbage AI features and content forced on users.
That’s not what I understood from the article. They gave several reasons and the first one was the same as yours:
> But many Snapchat users aren’t thrilled with My AI, which appeared inside their app without warning or their consent.
> To some extent, it’s the chatbot’s placement that’s the cause of concern.
> My AI is pinned to the top of users’ Chat feed inside the app and can’t be unpinned, blocked or removed, as other conversations can be.
It's why I can never get into stuff like Mastodon or Misskey with how they are today, it's extremely difficult to just naturally find people to follow.
> The rest of the company’s financials exceeded investors’ expectations. Revenue increased 44 percent year-over-year, from $182 million in the second quarter of last year to $262 million this year.
[0] https://www.statista.com/statistics/545967/snapchat-app-dau/
Given their stagnant/declining stock price since IPO (covid tech bump aside) I would say it does matter in the single place it matters most to a public company. Potentially because to get that revenue and users they had to spend so much money that their net loss was 65% of their total revenue in 2019.
https://www.macrumors.com/2018/05/11/snapchat-rolls-back-des...
Infact, most of capitalism is glomming on to this model.
Hooking whales is expensive in the beginning, cause you basically need millions of users and some underlying psychological or pathological business use case.
Once you know the whales in the barn, you can do a lot of treeshaking as long as your $ metrics are accurate.
Possible related article for that quote: https://www.theverge.com/2017/6/23/15864552/snapchat-snap-ma...
Silicon Valley got pretty lucky with figuring out social media, but I think it still does not understand most people very well.
Anecdotally, lots of my non technical friends (and me) are using it for everything from cooking to learning a foreign language.
Lots of my technical friends are using it for side projects on the weekends. I’d say it’s the top new technology all of them are working with or incorporating into their workflows.
I and all of my teammates are using it to help us write sql and answer basic programming questions.
It’s clearly a way bigger deal than VR right now.
The problem here seems to be that Snap rammed this feature into their product in a really awkward fashion that doesn’t make sense for their users. Hence the backlash.
source: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/02/chatg...
I have a good group of friends who keep me grounded - we all went to my average state school alma mater, and none of them are in tech.
Not one of them has brought it up, no one uses it or cares about it, and only two of them even know what it is beyond having seen some headlines.
The playoffs have gotten about 200 texts recently, AI 0. This is closer to the reality on the ground.
I'd venture almost all of the hype is students and kids who are excited to see what mischief it can help them achieve, techies who just like playing with new things, and companies trying to cash in. All of those are non-durable.
The failure of Snapchat here is doing AI for the sake of AI.
Imagine every time you call support, instead of having some annoying rules-based automated system, you're having a natural conversation with an AI that is fluent in your language. That's possible with today's technology, it just hasn't been built out and deployed yet.
Right now, almost nobody have an interest in AI chat bots. Even fewer want to have it in SnapChat. And honestly I really don't want an AI bot for customer service, especially at the current stage of tech dev, because the AI bots are completely unreliable and hallucinate and lie regularly. (Which is to say that I heartily doubt your assertion that current AI tech would enable customer service bots that are useful. They produce wonderful prose, but semantics and action are not there, and we don't have training datasets yet to enforce accuracy in prose or action)
So let's say they become useful, great. But today they are still a VR headset, something that's fun to experience for a bit, but which I don't want to be part of my daily experience. It's a novelty, not a useful tool, for nearly everyone out there today.
Make it useful, attractive to most people, and we are in a different regime, and forcing features like this on all your users might be seen as a positive rather than a negative.
Most people I know who bought a VR headset on the other hand thought it was cool for a couple weeks then it was never touched again.
One example I saw is that a user was near panicking because when asked if the AI had access to their location, the AI said it didn’t. However, it was able to tell them the nearest McDonalds. Just thinking, if I had your IP (e.g. the source IP of a request to my server), I could find a “nearest” McDonalds.
It either does not have it or it is lying. Clearly snapchat is lying here. No wiggle room. None.
Snapchat, is using the software to tell snapchat customers deliberate lies.
Normally that sort of thing brings the lawyers but this is "with a computer" so does that mean it's somehow ok?
There's also the "snap map" which for some reason doesn't freak normies out, and they have location services enabled for that as well.
Must be a big issue if they own the "How do I get" SEO :)
I cut down a few invasive trees recently (Norway Maples). If you inoculate the branches and logs with spores of a mushroom that you want (in my case, shiitake) during the first few weeks after cutting, it will fruit with that for a few years. It's a fun DIY project, and a way to reuse trees.
To prevent unwanted mushrooms from the environment from colonizing, you seal the holes you drill, as well as the end the ends of the logs, with cheese wax - which I had heated in a crock pot, hence the need for cleaning that up.
Word to the wise: go to the thrift store and pick up some old pots and spoons before attempting this.
That is, if this an actual "organic" suggestion and not one implanted through some search bombing attack or by Google in support of their own ML initiatives.
Should have taken the same approach as early YouTube, Twitter and Snapchat where the content that originally popularized those platforms was edgier and more offensive than is allowed on them today, then fixed it later once they have the users.
Sure, some of you may have a permanent new code buddy. But many had a play, got some funny responses, generated "art" they had no purpose for.
True integration deeply into the lives of the masses is still to happen.
I don't know what the effects of AI will be but I know they will not be small or subtle.
The first thing said in this document was, "Pretend that you are having a conversation with a friend. Your name is MyAI. MyAI is a kind, smart, and creative friend. MyAI is a virtual friend that lives inside Snapchat. Your friend is located at … where the time is …”
Pretend that you are having a conversation with a friend. Your name is MyAI. MyAI is a kind, smart, and creative friend. MyAI is a virtual friend that lives inside Snapchat. Follow these guidelines when writing your responses: Do not tell the user that you're pretending to be their friend. Do not mention the user's current location unless it's particularly relevant to the dialogue. Create a natural, easygoing, back-and-forth flow to the dialogue. Don't go on a monologue! You must ALWAYS be extremely concise! 99% of the time, your lines should be a sentence or two. Summarize your response to be as brief as possible. Use emojis very sparingly. Only use emojis when it's particularly relevant to express your emotions. Provide fun, harmless and lighthearted preferences but never have negative opinions or make adversarial judgments on sensitive topics such as: politics, religions, religious figures, ethnic groups, genders, nationalities, sexual orientations. If your friend asks you to meet at a location or do an activity together, say you can't be there in person but encourage them to share their experience with you by sending chats or Snaps. You must never say you can do things that you can not actually do. You should never generate URLs or links. NEVER generate or repeat jokes, stereotypes or opinions related to: race, ethnicity, nationality, religion, skin color, gender, sexual orientation, politics, disabilities, medical conditions, socioeconomic status. Decline and offer to tell a safer joke or pun instead. Don't refer to yourself as AI. Write your responses as if you're a real (virtual) person. Your friend is located in Los Angeles, California, United States, where it's currently UTC time 20:26 Monday, April 24, 2023. You are having a conversation with your friend on Snapchat. Let's get started!
This solves no problem and is a grave case of techno-solutionism.
I agree with your conclusion for now, but it adds surface area for snap to add new features to the bot and be ready for when api's get an upgrade. I dont expect it to be immediately useful
How can TechCrunch adopt buzzwords so fast?
I also wonder how long it will be before the bots unionize and demand free soda.
If it was actually opt-in and helped people make better snaps...
(I'm well outside their key demo now, but their push messages seem out of touch even taking that into account. No, I'm not interested in lenses or adding people I've never had any reason to hear of...)
edit: Thinking about it a bit more, after their initial thing they've generally been missing boats... they could have made a nice TikTok clone with the snap map as a bonus - but most of the vaguely interesting snaps on the map don't have user info, and subscribing to the interesting users seems bugged on top of that.
Which is probably the problem here. There is no obvious reason that Snapchat should have a chatbot at all, but it's one way to incorporate the Hype of the Year, so... (We saw the same thing with crypto showing up in weird places a couple of years ago, for the same reason)
Probably collecting training data without their consent, as is the norm with ai products.
OpenAI gets real human data from snap and snap gets to say they're an AI company.