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0 pointszenkat3y ago0 comments

I think that says more about Hacker News than SF. There's a level of hate for the city here that I don't understand. Feels a bit like a vendetta sometimes.

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whateveracct3y ago

I wonder how many of the negative comments are by people who are actually living or have actually lived in SF? And not, say, down in SV.

I wonder the same about Seattle. How many commenters are speaking from Redmond or Kirkland or Bellevue etc instead of the city?

golf10523y ago

I'm coming up on 6 years in Seattle. Lived in SLU or Denny Triangle (parts some people consider "downtown") the entire time. I've learned to just largely ignore the incredibly negative comments because my experience and the experience of all the people I know who live here are vastly different. While the city still has its problems I would like for people to approach solving them from a realistic point of view.

HideousKojima3y ago

I lived in Seattle proper for over two years (2012-2015) and it absolutely was awful, at least in many parts of the city. Anywhere near Pioneer Square, for example.

yadaeno3y ago

It completely depends on where you live in SF. The people in the wealthy hyper gentrified areas are baffled that people would think the city is unsafe.

Meanwhile people with less income are exposed daily to an epidemic of drug addiction, homeless, theft, mental illness, all problems with straightforward solutions that the residents are screaming for.

Its not one or the other, its both. Just because you live in a safe neighborhood does not mean that everyone that doesn’t isn’t being “data driven” or “logical” enough.

zenkatOP3y ago

So the Outer Richmond is a "wealthy hyper-gentrifed neighborhood" now? Or the Mission? The Sunset? SOMA? Dogpatch?

Sure, I mean if you're able to afford to live in those neighborhoods, then you're doing OK. But it's a bit rich to call them "hyper-gentrifed".

anigbrowl3y ago

Not so. I've mostly lived in a comparatively high crime neighborhoods in SF, though I live in Oakland now. I'm married to someone who grew up in the Tenderloin. Your argument that attitudes are correlated with residential wealth rather than experience may accurately capture a general trend but it is far from the cast-iron rule you suggest.

straightforward solutions

Hmm

nemothekid3y ago

What are the unsafe neighborhoods in SF?

anigbrowl3y ago

A lot of people on HN came to SF from elsewhere for money/career reasons, and were upset to discover that the city is not an extension of the Moscone Center (ironically enough named after a former mayor who was murdered - by one of the city supervisors who thought he was too 'woke': https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Moscone).

selimthegrim3y ago

Not to completely call Moscone the height of evil but there are definite allegations about him taking money/influence peddling from Jim Jones and the People’s Temple

anigbrowl3y ago

He absolutely did, although I think this is one of those things that looks way worse with hindsight.

thethethethe3y ago

There is def a vendetta but you see the same things in r/sanfrancisco and other places as well so it's not limited to HN

rodgerd3y ago

A lot of city (and country) subs on reddit are overrun with people who don't live in the place commenting on what a hell-hole it is. We see this in New Zealand every time something gets international attention, and it's very obvious given time zones and posting volumes.

pb73y ago

There is very little incentive for someone to believe that there is a better place to live than the one they're in and all the ego stroking to believe otherwise.

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whateveracct3y ago

I wonder how many of the negative comments are by people who are actually living or have actually lived in SF? And not, say, down in SV.

I wonder the same about Seattle. How many commenters are speaking from Redmond or Kirkland or Bellevue etc instead of the city?

golf10523y ago

HideousKojima3y ago

I lived in Seattle proper for over two years (2012-2015) and it absolutely was awful, at least in many parts of the city. Anywhere near Pioneer Square, for example.

yadaeno3y ago

It completely depends on where you live in SF. The people in the wealthy hyper gentrified areas are baffled that people would think the city is unsafe.

Its not one or the other, its both. Just because you live in a safe neighborhood does not mean that everyone that doesn’t isn’t being “data driven” or “logical” enough.

zenkatOP3y ago

So the Outer Richmond is a "wealthy hyper-gentrifed neighborhood" now? Or the Mission? The Sunset? SOMA? Dogpatch?

Sure, I mean if you're able to afford to live in those neighborhoods, then you're doing OK. But it's a bit rich to call them "hyper-gentrifed".

anigbrowl3y ago

straightforward solutions

Hmm

nemothekid3y ago

What are the unsafe neighborhoods in SF?

anigbrowl3y ago

selimthegrim3y ago

Not to completely call Moscone the height of evil but there are definite allegations about him taking money/influence peddling from Jim Jones and the People’s Temple

anigbrowl3y ago

He absolutely did, although I think this is one of those things that looks way worse with hindsight.

thethethethe3y ago

There is def a vendetta but you see the same things in r/sanfrancisco and other places as well so it's not limited to HN

rodgerd3y ago

pb73y ago

There is very little incentive for someone to believe that there is a better place to live than the one they're in and all the ego stroking to believe otherwise.

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse