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0 pointsreddog3y ago0 comments

> including current faves Austin and Miami

Austin has 2.57 murders and nonnegligent manslaughters per 100K. Same year, SF has 6.35 per 100K. So SF is twice as bad as Austin. Your right about Miami though.

But 6.35 isn't bad. The murder rate in St Louis (for comparision to the US city with the worst) is 66.07 per 100K. And Colima Mexico (worst in the world maybe) is 182 murders per 100K.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_b...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_homicide_rat...

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Aeolun3y ago

For comparison, Japan has 0.3, the UK has 1.1 and France has 1.3.

I know they’re in the linked table, just wanted to mention that even the best city in the US is still relatively bad.

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grogenaut3y ago

I grew up in St Louis. We didn't worry so much about murder for cause as someone had to specifically dislike you (cheating on/with spouse for example). We just watched the street crime rates.

That said moving to the west coast people freak out all the time about yearly murder rates that are a weekend in STL.

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version_five3y ago

Per capita rates are often hard to compare (I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with any conclusions). I find the rates often have more with how boundaries are drawn and are especially inaccurate for smaller populations as a reflection of overall safety. There's probably an element of that in the St. Louis numbers.

I once saw a crime map of the boroughs in a city where I lived. It showed the downtown as way higher than others per-capita, but it's because few live there as it's mostly commercial, more than higher absolute numbers. Lots of effects like this skew the numbers.

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brabel3y ago

Sweden is in the middle of a gang crisis with people murdered every week... still, the murder rate over the last several years has always been below 1.23 (the highest value, in 2020).

https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/SWE/sweden/murder-homi...

According to this[1], Sweden had 116 murders in 2022, less than the peak in 2020, which was 124. Basic maths tells me that' around 1.104 murders per 100K people (current population is 10.5 million).

[1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/533917/sweden-number-of-...

Puts thing into perspective.

projectazorian3y ago

Also worth noting that SF contains most of the Bay Area’s high-crime areas, yet the city limits are much smaller than those of most major American cities. So that skews the crime rate upwards. There’s a similar dynamic at play with several other American cities.

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skyyler3y ago

https://www.kxan.com/investigations/homicides-on-the-rise-ho...

https://abc7news.com/san-francisco-crime-rate-bob-lee-sf-vio...

2021 numbers put Austin slightly ahead of SF.

y-curious3y ago

Ok but I wish we could have a database where we DON'T count gangbangers killing other gangbangers. Would probably be much closer.

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Aeolun3y ago

For comparison, Japan has 0.3, the UK has 1.1 and France has 1.3.

I know they’re in the linked table, just wanted to mention that even the best city in the US is still relatively bad.

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grogenaut3y ago

I grew up in St Louis. We didn't worry so much about murder for cause as someone had to specifically dislike you (cheating on/with spouse for example). We just watched the street crime rates.

That said moving to the west coast people freak out all the time about yearly murder rates that are a weekend in STL.

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version_five3y ago

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brabel3y ago

Sweden is in the middle of a gang crisis with people murdered every week... still, the murder rate over the last several years has always been below 1.23 (the highest value, in 2020).

https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/SWE/sweden/murder-homi...

According to this[1], Sweden had 116 murders in 2022, less than the peak in 2020, which was 124. Basic maths tells me that' around 1.104 murders per 100K people (current population is 10.5 million).

[1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/533917/sweden-number-of-...

Puts thing into perspective.

projectazorian3y ago

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skyyler3y ago

https://www.kxan.com/investigations/homicides-on-the-rise-ho...

https://abc7news.com/san-francisco-crime-rate-bob-lee-sf-vio...

2021 numbers put Austin slightly ahead of SF.

y-curious3y ago

Ok but I wish we could have a database where we DON'T count gangbangers killing other gangbangers. Would probably be much closer.

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