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0 pointstopaz02y ago0 comments

I am not at all concerned with what is or isn't possible in a computer for the purposes of this discussion. My only point with the link is that dealing with inverses in particular situations (i.e. where multiplication has or doesn't have certain properties) frequently requires particular considerations, and the properties of division defined as multiplication by the inverse will have different properties as a result.

To be clear, do you disagree that it is commonplace in complex analysis to extend the complex plane by {infinity} and define 1/0 = infinity, 1/infinity = 0? I find it hard to imagine that you can't have encountered that given how much you seem to know about abstract algebra. Or do you just think that it is a bad idea, despite being commonplace? In either case, to say that mathematicians would not call that operation division as a result is contradictory to my experience, even if those two special cases don't fit the category of multiplication by the inverse.

Also to be clear, I know of no counterexamples in abstract algebra and it would make sense to me that in that context division would mean something very particular, in order to be able to talk about it with any generality. But as it happens, abstract algebra isn't all of math.

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syzarian2y ago

This is getting very far from where the original question came from. When talking to a layman one would say division is always multiplication by the inverse. There are nuances involved that a lay person simply can’t appreciate or understand. Had I known you knew about the extended complex numbers I would have answered differently. The extended complex numbers are not a ring, not a group, not an algebra, and so…is it really division then?

In math often times the answer we give depends on the knowledge of the person asking the question. For instance we tell calculus 1 students 1/x is not continuous as a function from R-{0} to R. Of course in the standard induced topology it is a continuous function but explaining this to calculus 1 students would be very difficult.

https://math.stackexchange.com/a/2524779

topaz0OP2y ago

Giving the answer that is relevant to the situation is very sensible. Saying that "this is the only thing division can mean in mathematics" is evidently false, though (I take it that you agree with me on this now?), and false in a way that is very relevant to the original question, which did not specify a context of abstract algebra and seemed to me to be very interested in expanding the mathematical horizons of the questioner, not restricting them.

The extended complex plane is a great example in my opinion, because it shows that yes there are reasons to extend the numbers in various ways, that can give useful structure, but you may have to give up something else in order for that make sense. In my opinion that is a much more complete answer to the deeper question. (Similarly for the reals mod 1, which do have the property that x + 1 = x).

syzarian2y ago

The one point compactification of the complex plane is not a number system in the normal sense of what that means. Calling the use of the notational convenience 1/infinity a true division operation defies the common usage of the term in mathematics. You may call it whatever you want to though.

The answer given to the person who asked the original question was the correct one. You can’t do it because doing so would break consistency and that is of paramount importance when doing new things in mathematics. There are agreed upon usages of terms and symbols in mathematics. Why call something division in the true sense of the word when it breaks the conventional usage of what that term means? But, also, why invent a new symbol to denote what is analogous to division? So we abuse notation. This is done all the time. So on the one had we’ll say to calculus 1 students 1/infinity is 0 but also say infinity is not a number. Things are done for convenience but when asked, “Is this really division?” the answer is no.

Of course you can redefine all terms you desire and say things like: A circle can be squared, I just mean something different when I say circle than when you say it. But why do that? All of this is my opinion. You disagree and that is ok.

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