Handcuffs, orange suits and sleeping on concrete for days for the rest of us.
Why bother to begin with?
Which in your opinion is worse? The guilty getting away with their crimes or being punished unequally with high profile defendants getting the "white glove" treatment and a joke of a sentence? Delayed justice is better than an open mockery of it like this.
If he is accused of a crime treat him like any criminal would get treated in that situation and jurisdiction(assuring his safety of course by giving him a private cell and allowing secret service). If he is guilty then his prior role as president or his wealth and age should not be a factor in sentencing.
It shouldn't matter how it appears or the riots and outrage and public opinion it might cause.
Here's a list of cases: https://www.justsecurity.org/85605/survey-of-past-new-york-f...
Just googling around a bit about these it's very hard to say because most of the time this type of crime is extremely minor news or not news at all.
> It shouldn't matter how it appears or...
It does, though. It objectively matters in terms of actual, predictable outcomes. Yeah it sucks. Deal with it. Despair won't make it better.
You mean punishment to prevent crime in the future. That isn't justice, is it worth it given the cost?
> It does, though. It objectively matters in terms of actual, predictable outcomes.
You don't get what I am saying, yes it matters in a general sense but for the purpose of administering justice it does not matter and it is irrelevant. It isn't despair either what I am saying, I am simply stating the fact that this is injustice being portrayed as justice, a perversion of justice if you will.
I certainly hope everyone cheering for this has considered the possibility of what happens if nothing comes of this case and Trump wins in 2024.
I would consider that an absolute bar to him being elected, regardless of who he would punish. The fact that many people would approve of that mis-use of power -- perhaps enough to get him elected -- implies that democracy itself has failed.
Of course such people also seem convinced that the indictment here is faulty -- either that he's not guilty of the crimes, or that they are petty, and are only being prosecuted for political reasons.
So from their point of view, democracy has already failed. Which is what he's been telling them for three years.
The case # is 71543-23 and paper copies of the indictment have been released to reporters, so it'll probably be available in the next hour or two. Reporters who were in court said it's a barebones indictment with 34 felony (class E) counts of falsifying business records, along with a 'statement of facts' summarizing the case. No gag orders from the court, but judge admonished both parties to restrain their rhetoric in public statements.
Update, here's the indictment: https://www.manhattanda.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Donal...
...and the statement of facts: https://www.manhattanda.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Donal...
