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0 pointsfoverzar2y ago0 comments

> I'm pretty fucking relieved the nightmare is over.

Ouch. Genuinely hate to be the bearer of bad news, but everything I know about politics (especially from Russian perspective) tells me that this is only the beginning and uncorking of a potential conflict.

I assume, you do not expect that NATO membership would put Finland into a direct hot confrontation with Russia, thus turning into a kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy?

> WW3, or at the very least win it together.

Eh, there will be no winner in WWIII - only how much everyone loses before they decide to strike some kind of eventual deal. And IMO the WWIII had already started by the modern military standards of multi-domain operations.

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The_Colonel2y ago

> I assume, you do not expect that NATO membership would put Finland into a direct hot confrontation with Russia, thus turning into a kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy?

Neutrality is no protection against aggression. Vienna was famously one of the first targets for Soviet nuclear strike.

foverzarOP2y ago

> Vienna was famously one of the first targets for Soviet nuclear strike.

According to your link in the other thread, that is assuming it was "ruthlessly" occupied by NATO.

In any case, the "end the game for everyone button" example seems like a poor choice. How did Austria actually fare during the Cold War? I honestly don't know too much about Austrian-Soviet relationships except for a few trade deals.

tasuki2y ago

Is there a list somewhere?

The_Colonel2y ago

No list, but some details are here: https://www.independent.ie/world-news/vienna-top-of-soviet-n...

dralley2y ago

>I assume, you do not expect that NATO membership would put Finland into a direct hot confrontation with Russia, thus turning into a kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy?

Moldova, invaded (1990) and occupied. Georgia, invaded (2008) and occupied. Ukraine, invaded (2014, 2022) and occupied.

Finland, Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia, Poland: Not invaded, not occupied.

foverzarOP2y ago

> Moldova, invaded (1990) and occupied

> Moldova, independence from the Soviet Union (27 August 1991), constitution adopted (29 July 1994)

I genuinely wonder what is the source of that list. I assume "invasion" of 1990 is the Transnistria War?

dralley2y ago

Yes.

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0 pointsfoverzar2y ago0 comments

> I'm pretty fucking relieved the nightmare is over.

I assume, you do not expect that NATO membership would put Finland into a direct hot confrontation with Russia, thus turning into a kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy?

> WW3, or at the very least win it together.

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The_Colonel2y ago

> I assume, you do not expect that NATO membership would put Finland into a direct hot confrontation with Russia, thus turning into a kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy?

Neutrality is no protection against aggression. Vienna was famously one of the first targets for Soviet nuclear strike.

foverzarOP2y ago

> Vienna was famously one of the first targets for Soviet nuclear strike.

According to your link in the other thread, that is assuming it was "ruthlessly" occupied by NATO.

tasuki2y ago

Is there a list somewhere?

The_Colonel2y ago

No list, but some details are here: https://www.independent.ie/world-news/vienna-top-of-soviet-n...

dralley2y ago

>I assume, you do not expect that NATO membership would put Finland into a direct hot confrontation with Russia, thus turning into a kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy?

Moldova, invaded (1990) and occupied. Georgia, invaded (2008) and occupied. Ukraine, invaded (2014, 2022) and occupied.

Finland, Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia, Poland: Not invaded, not occupied.

foverzarOP2y ago

> Moldova, invaded (1990) and occupied

> Moldova, independence from the Soviet Union (27 August 1991), constitution adopted (29 July 1994)

I genuinely wonder what is the source of that list. I assume "invasion" of 1990 is the Transnistria War?

dralley2y ago

Yes.

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