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0 pointsSpivak3y ago0 comments

This is only true if you give up once it passes. Then you only have to win once to get it repealed.

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11235813213y ago· 3 in thread

I don't see the EU repealing much. How can there be an expectation of a fruitful campaign to accomplish that? Would it require a sea change in the outlook of the ruling blocs of MPs? Asking sincerely.

revelio3y ago

The MEPs don't have the right to change EU law. So it doesn't matter even if they were all voted out and replaced. The commission does what it wants, it's not really a democratic system.

yreg3y ago

The commission needs a passing vote of approval from the parliament and its president is elected by the parliament. It is a democratic system.

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raverbashing3y ago

They do repeal stuff (though it's usually "changed" not repealed per se), but if this gets approved the next step would be the CJEU or possibly the ECHR

noduerme3y ago· 3 in thread

Explain that to anyone living under a dictatorship their grandparents originally supported.

Jensson3y ago

The dictator has to beat down the rebellions every time, but the rebels only has to win once. Is that what you meant?

As long as there are people there will be struggles like this. Being on the winners side makes things easier, so losing once makes it harder to go back, but it isn't impossible since we have gotten here from much worse situations.

cryptonector3y ago

GP means that the dictator only needs to win without violence once, but the rebels -while it's true that they only need to win once- may have to resort to violence because the dictator certainly will resort to violence to crush its opposition.

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noduerme3y ago

> The dictator has to beat down the rebellions every time, but the rebels only has to win once.

Yes... this was the original comment I was responding to, which seems to have totally disappeared. Thanks.

> we have gotten here from much worse situations.

A wise remark. But we'll only keep finding better situations if we keep calling out bullshit.

makomk3y ago· 1 in thread

That's not really true in this case, though. The European Commission is the only institution with the power to propose new EU laws, including repeals or modifications of existing ones. They don't need to be watching their back and making sure that no repeal sneaks through because one couldn't even get started unless they did it. Also, they're not really a democratic institution - their members are decided entirely by behind-closed-doors political horse trading by well-connected European political insiders - so replacing them with more trustworthy representatives isn't an option because they don't represent the public anyway even in theory.

Joeri3y ago

The commission is tasked by the council to translate policy into proposals. If the council directs the commission to repeal a law, they will draft a proposal to do so. The council also appoints the head of the commission, who has final say in the members. The council in turn is composed of the heads of state of the EU members, so it is mostly directly elected.

Maybe people just need to take more care which leaders they elect, if they don't like the policies that result from it.

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