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0 pointscoldtea3y ago0 comments

>Basically, 99% of the effort is NOT WRITING CODE. It's all about communication with people, and problem solving. If we use GPT-X in our company, it will help us with 1% of our workload

First, if you did have GPT-X (say GPT-10) in your company, there wouldn't be much back-and-forth communication either. Those parts would still be handled with GPT-X talking to another GPT-X in the other company. Even the requirements might be given by a GPT-X.

Second, even if that's not the case, the part of doing the communication can be handled by non-programmers. Then they can feed the result of the communication to GPT-X and had it churn out some program. Perhaps would keep a couple of developers to verify the programs (sort of like GPT-X operators and QA testers) and get rid of the rest.

As for the rest of the current team of developers? GPT-X and the people running the company could not care less about them!

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logifail3y ago

> Those parts would still be handled with GPT-X talking to another GPT-X in the other company. Even the requirements might be given by a GPT-X.

What happens if one (or more) of the GPT-Xs starts having hallucinations while they're busy working on this project?

> Second, even if that's not the case, the part of doing the communication can be handled by non-programmers.

I was in a meeting with a sales manager and tech team a few days ago. Sales manager had been talking to a potential customer about a product that neither he nor the customer properly understood. They both thought it would be an excellent fit for a particular (new) purpose, one for which it was not designed.

As it turned out, everyone on the tech team knew that both sales manager and customer were utterly and catastophically wrong, but it took the best part of an hour to finally convince him of this.

It's quite hard to have useful conversations about stuff if you don't actually understand it.

danielbln3y ago

Are hallucination is a systemic for-ever problem that will not be solved, mitigated or in akne other way rendered inconsequential?

Also, having conversations about things you don't understand with a machine, where you don't have to keep up social decorum and can ask the dumbest questions should help a lot with improving the decision making of non-technical personel

TuringTest3y ago

> Are hallucination is a systemic for-ever problem that will not be solved, mitigated or in akne other way rendered inconsequential?

In the same way that wrong results in a search engine will not be solved or mitigated in its entirety, yes. These new generative AIs are big search engines that bring results from several content points and combine them into a single, plausible stream of words.

logifail3y ago

> having conversations about things you don't understand with a machine, where you don't have to keep up social decorum and can ask the dumbest questions should help a lot with improving the decision making of non-technical personel

This sales manager didn't know that neither he - nor his customer - properly understand the product until he was specifically called out on it (by me, as it happens. At least the boss laughed). Are we expecting GPT-X to sit in on Teams meetings and ask questions like that, too? Sales manager literally did not know he needed to start asking questions about the product. Tech team were calling BS on it as soon as he reported his conversation with customer.

"It ain’t what you don’t know that gets you into trouble. It’s what you know for sure that just ain’t so.", which may (or may not) have been said by Mark Twain.

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anon77253y ago

> Second, even if that's not the case, the part of doing the communication can be handled by non-programmers.

It can’t - only programmers will know which follow up questions to ask. GPT will be able to ask those questions before non-programmers will be able to.

Half the work is nitpicking on date formats or where some id comes from or if a certain field is optional, etc.

serpix3y ago

Last paragraph is spot on. Would also add a vast amount is spent looking at the code and the system and just understanding what goes where.

importantbrian3y ago

The problem is that a GPT capable of doing all those things at the level required is also capable of running the company. Someone with capitol can start the business and set GPT-X to go out and maximize paperclip profits.

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0 pointscoldtea3y ago0 comments

>Basically, 99% of the effort is NOT WRITING CODE. It's all about communication with people, and problem solving. If we use GPT-X in our company, it will help us with 1% of our workload

As for the rest of the current team of developers? GPT-X and the people running the company could not care less about them!

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logifail3y ago

> Those parts would still be handled with GPT-X talking to another GPT-X in the other company. Even the requirements might be given by a GPT-X.

What happens if one (or more) of the GPT-Xs starts having hallucinations while they're busy working on this project?

> Second, even if that's not the case, the part of doing the communication can be handled by non-programmers.

As it turned out, everyone on the tech team knew that both sales manager and customer were utterly and catastophically wrong, but it took the best part of an hour to finally convince him of this.

It's quite hard to have useful conversations about stuff if you don't actually understand it.

danielbln3y ago

Are hallucination is a systemic for-ever problem that will not be solved, mitigated or in akne other way rendered inconsequential?

TuringTest3y ago

> Are hallucination is a systemic for-ever problem that will not be solved, mitigated or in akne other way rendered inconsequential?

logifail3y ago

"It ain’t what you don’t know that gets you into trouble. It’s what you know for sure that just ain’t so.", which may (or may not) have been said by Mark Twain.

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anon77253y ago

> Second, even if that's not the case, the part of doing the communication can be handled by non-programmers.

It can’t - only programmers will know which follow up questions to ask. GPT will be able to ask those questions before non-programmers will be able to.

Half the work is nitpicking on date formats or where some id comes from or if a certain field is optional, etc.

serpix3y ago

Last paragraph is spot on. Would also add a vast amount is spent looking at the code and the system and just understanding what goes where.

importantbrian3y ago

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