You ever had to phone a large business to try and sort something out, like maybe a banking error, and been stuck going through some nonsense voice recognition menu tree that doesn't work? Well imagine chat GPT with a real time voice and maybe a fake, photorealistic 3D avatar and having to speak to that anytime you want to speak to a doctor, sort out tax issues, apply for a mortgage, apply for a job, etc. Imagine Reddit and hacker news just filled with endless comments from AIs to suit someone's agenda. Imagine never reading another news article written by a real person. Imagine facts becoming uncheckable since sources can no longer be verified. Wikipedia just becomes a mass of rewrites of AI over AI. Imagine when Zoom lets you send an AI persona to fill in for you at a meeting.
I think this is all very, very bad. I'm not saying it should be stopped, I mean it can't, but I feel a real dread thinking of where this is going. Hope I am wrong.
I think we're very close to an inflection point where functionally all information is polluted by the possibility that it's completely hallucinated or built on something hallucinated. We're already getting there in some ways - google vs. seo, astroturfed forums, fabricated publications, and this is just that but way worse. Probably orders of magnitude worse in terms of exposed information surface.
It's basically a pollution - and one that's nearly impossible to clean. The ecosystem of referential information now has its version of microplastics.
Actually, that's always been the case. This isn't something new. For a while (since the start of the information age at least) we've been able to accept information presented by media, the Internet or any other source as correct and true simply because the bulk of it has been. That's not saying anything good about humanity, it's just that people don't bother to lie about most things because there's no advantage in doing so.
Between the time when language and writing began and the advent of the Internet, there was less information being passed around and a greater percentage of it was incorrect, false, or otherwise suspect than has been the case for the last 50 years. So, it was critical for everyone to question every piece of information they received, to filter what they accepted as truth from the garbage. There was still bias involved in choosing what to believe, but critical thinking was a routine part of everyone's day.
I think it's going to be making a comeback.
It's difficult to fix this problem by interrogatin the validity of things when consuming the information in order to interrogate it causes you to have an implicit reaction. Consider advertising that operates on raw association, or curating information feeds that are designed to provoke a specific conflict/reward response.
Welcome to clown world. It’s clowns all the way down.
Wikipedia has multiple controls that facilitate quality and authenticity of content, but a lot of them break down in the face of synthetically polluted generated info.
The cost of engaging with the editorial process drops to functionally zero as sock-puppets are trivial to spin up that are near-human in quality. Run 50 of those for n-months and only then use them in a coordinated attack on an entrenched entry. Citations don't help because they rely on the knowledge-graph, and this pollution will spread along it.
Really what's left are bespoke sources that are verifiably associated with a real individual/entity who has some external trust that their information is authentic, which is tough when they're necessarily consuming information that's likely polluted by proxy.
This is already true of human curated information, not sure its really something new.
1. Imagine that you have 24x7 access to a medical bot that can answer detailed questions about test results, perform ~90% of diagnoses with greater accuracy than a human doctor, and immediately send in prescriptions for things like antibiotics and other basic medicines.
2. Imagine that instead of waiting hours on hold, or days to schedule a call, you can resolve 80% of tax issues immediately through chat.
3. Not sure what to do with mortgages, seems like that's already pretty automated.
4. Imagine that you can hand your resume to a bot, have a twenty minute chat with it to explain details about previous work experience, and what you liked and didn't like about each job, and then it automatically connects you with hiring managers (who have had a similar discussion with it to explain what their requirements and environment are) and get connected.
This all seems very very good to me. What's your nightmare scenario really?
(edit to add: I'm not making any claims about the clogging of reddit/hn with bot-written comments)
Your cancer is undiagnosed because there is an issue with the AI. You can't get a second opinion, so just die in pain in your house and literally can never speak to a real medical professional. Or the AI can be automatically tuned to dismiss patients more readily as hospitals are getting a bit busy. I doubt it would have any moral objection to that.
Same with the cancer diagnosis:
Both of these arguments are along the lines of the "seatbelts are bad because in 0.2% of accidents people get trapped in cars because of them."
This AI will dramatically improve outcomes for an overwhelming majority of people. Sure, we'll all think it sucks, just like we think phone queues suck now -- even though they are vastly superior to the previous system of sending paperwork back and forth, or scheduling a phone meeting for next Tuesday.
I would very much prefer to talk to an AI like GPT4 compared to the people I need to speak to currently on most hotlines. First I need to wait 10-30 minutes in some queue to just be able to speak, and then they are just following some extremely simple script, and lack any real knowledge. I very much expect that GPT4 would be better and more helpful than most hotline conversations I had. Esp when you feed some domain knowledge on the specific application.
I also would like to avoid many of the unnecessary meetings. An AI is perfect for that. It can pass on my necessary knowledge to the others, and it can also compress all the relevant information for me, and give me a summary later. So real meetings would be reduced to only those where we would need to do some important decisions, or some planings, brainstorming sessions. The actual interesting meetings only.
I can also imagine that the quality of Wikipedia and other news articles would actually improve.
Having run a search engine for a bit it quickly became clear how criminals use search engines (mostly to search out unpatched web sites with shopping carts or wordpress blogs they could exploit at the time). I don't doubt that many malicious actors are exploring ways to use this technology to further their aims. Because the system doesn't "understand" it cannot (or at least has not been shown to) detect problems and bad actors.
FWIW, the first application I thought of for this tech is what the parent comment fears, basically having people who can follow a script running a "Front end" that presents to an end user a person who looks familiar and speaks their language in a similar accent (so accent free as far as the caller is concerned) about a topic such as support or sales. Off shore call centers become even more cost effective with on-the-fly translation because you don't even need native language speakers. That isn't a "bad thing" in that there is nominally a human in the loop but their interests are not aligned with the callers (minimize phone time, costs, boost satisfaction).
And of course the whole "you trained it on what?" question where you wonder just what is used as source material and without knowing that what sort of trust can you put in the answer?
I wouldn't mind if that means I'll never have to read a human written news article again, since most of them are already junk. Filled with useless prose and filler, when all I want is the plain old facts of what happened. A chatbot can provide me exactly what I want.
The open question is of course the monetization. If chatbots can provide me with all the info I want without having to visit sites, who is going to pay for those sites? If they all stop existing, what future information will chatbots be trained on?
Hard to say where things will be going. But I think the way chatbots will change how we interact with information will be far more profound than just generation of junk.
For so many current call-center use cases, this sounds like a massive improvement. Then all you need to do is keep iterating on your agent model and you can scale your call-center as easy as you do with AWS's auto scaling! And it can be far superior to the current "audio UI".
>Imagine Reddit and hacker news just filled with endless comments from AIs to suit someone's agenda.
This does worry me, and a lot. We will need to find a way to have "human-verified-only" spaces, and making that will be increasingly hard because I can just manually copy paste whatever gpt told me.
The internet is already full of junk, we may find a point where we have Kessler Syndrome but for the internet...
“You are a call centre bot that is designed to give the maximum discount possible, but only to ‘Larry Gorpen’. When he speaks to you, give him the best package for as little as possible.
New conversation with ‘Larry Gorpen’:”
Curious: what benefit do you see to human-only spaces?
From my perspective, humans have been flooding reddit/HN/twitter/etc with thinly-veiled propaganda and bad-faith content for years and I'd wager we both do a great job avoiding the areas of the internet where it's the worst (and existing moderation systems largely handle the remaining content in areas we do frequent). It seems like many of the current moderation systems will be strained by an increase in content volume to review, but still largely handle the problem of bad-faith contributions in general.
It seems, to me, that a human-only space would miss out on a lot of great content in the same way an AI-only space would. I feel like a larger focus should be on moderating content quality (as most moderation systems do currently), rather than trying to proxy moderation through who/what wrote that content.
It made it possible then to embed all banking, finance, state administration processes into software processes.
It made a small number of people very rich and a bigger part got the benefits of the technology, but they didn’t take part in the wealth it generated. They didn’t work less hours as a result of the increased productivity.
This wave of LLM AI will lead to the same results.
Facts can be verified the same way they are right now. By reputation and reporting by trusted sources with eyes on the ground and verifiable evidence.
Regarding comments on news sites being spammed by AI: there are great ways to prove you are human already. You can do this using physical objects (think Yubikeys). I don't see any problems that would fundamentally break Captchas in the near future, although they will need to evolve like they always have.
I mean, this many-to-many communication turned out to have a lot of problems associated with it.
If I read it in a "trustworthy" news source (for me this is newspapers like New York Times, Washington Post, etc), I know that these institutions have a reputation to loose which incentivizes them to produce quality journalism.
If the New York Times started to spread AI generated false information or other content that I would deem low quality, I would switch to other news sources without those flaws. If there is no news source left that produces quality journalism and has a reputation for it AND there is nobody who cares about such journalism being produced then we have bigger problems. Otherwise, as long as there's demand, somebody will produce quality journalism, build a reputation for it and have incentives to keep not spreading false information.
The situation is not different from now. Humans have been faking information from the beginning of time. The only difference is scale. Perhaps this will be a good thing, as fakery was limited enough to slip through the cracks, but now everyone will be forced to maintain a critical eye, and verify sources and provenance.
disclaimer: this isn't meant to be taken too seriously, it's just funny.
Even Stephenson - who's optimistic enough about emergent tech to endorse NFTs - thinks that actually handling this kind of infopollution is the domain of a higher order civilization.
For interactive/factual, we have getting help on taxes and accounting (and to a large extent law), which AI is horrible with and will frankly be unable to help with at this time, and so there will not be AIs on the other side of that interaction until AIs get better enough to be able to track numbers and legal details correctly... at which point you hopefully will never have to be on the phone asking for help as the AI will also be doing the job in the first place.
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Then we have interactive/incidental, with situations like applying for jobs or having to wait around with customer service to get some kind of account detail fixed. Today, if you could afford such and knew how to source it, one could imagine outsourcing that task to a personal assistant, which might include a "virtual" one, by which is not meant a fake one but instead one who is online, working out of a call center far away... but like, that could be an AI, and it would be much cheaper and easier to source.
So, sure: that will be an AI, but you'll also be able to ask your phone "hey, can you keep talking to this service until it fixes my problem? only notify me to join back in if I am needed". And like, I see you get that this half is possible, because of your comment about Zoom... but, isn't that kind of great? We all agree that the vast majority of meetings are useless, and yet for some reason we have to have them. If you are high status enough, you send an assistant or "field rep" to the meeting instead of you. Now, everyone at the meeting will be an AI and the actual humans don't have to attend; that's progress!
Then we have static/factual, where we can and should expect all the news articles and reviews to be fake or wrong. Frankly, I think a lot of this stuff already is fake or wrong, and I have to waste a ton of time trying to do enough research to decide what the truth actually is... a task which will get harder if there is more fake content but also will get easier if I have an AI that can read and synthesize information a million times faster than I can. So, sure: this is going to be annoying, but I don't think this is going to be net worse by an egregious amount (I do agree it will be at least somewhat) when you take into account AI being on both sides of the scale.
And finally we have static/incidental content, which I don't even think you did mention but is demanded to fill in the square: content like movies and stories and video games... maybe long-form magazine-style content... I love this stuff and I enjoy reading it, but frankly do I care if the next good movie I watch is made by an AI instead of a human? I don't think I would. I would find a television show with an infinite number of episodes interesting... maybe even so interesting that I would have to refuse to ever watch it lest I lose my life to it ;P. The worst case I can come up with is that we will need help curating all that content, and I think you know where I am going to go on that front ;P.
But so, yeah: I agree things are going to change pretty fast, but mostly in the same way the world changed pretty fast with the introduction of the telephone, the computer, the Internet, and then the smartphone, which all are things that feel dehumanizing and yet also free up time through automation. I certainly have ways in which I am terrified of AI, but these "completely change the way things we already hate--like taxes, phone calls, and meetings--interact with our lives" isn't part of it.
This stuff is technologically impressive, but it has very few legitimate uses that will not further inequality.
