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0 pointsbrap3y ago0 comments

  1. Work at Meta
  2. Be top performer
  3. Get promoted to manager
  4. Manage <5 people as a newbie manager
  5. Get fired because you don't manage enough people

Or, alternatively:

  1. Work at Meta
  2. Be top performer
  3. Never get promoted

I don't know, this doesn't make me want to work at Meta. Certainly not as a top performer.

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dx0343y ago

The best people I've worked with stayed in the same role for 20+ years without any promotion. They did great work, knew exactly what to do and didn't have to play the politics game to get some favorable review for promotion. I wish more companies would encourage that. Even in tech, the world doesn't change as quickly as we sometimes think.

gardenhedge3y ago

Personally, if I enjoy my work and my pay stays at or above market rate, I don't need title promotions.

brapOP3y ago

  1. Work at Meta
  2. Be top performer
  3. Remain in your role for too many years
  4. Get fired because you're expensive with no growth trajectory

gardenhedge3y ago

You got me there :)

paganel3y ago

I'm not in the demographic anymore to be hired by Meta, but I'd definitely choose the second scenario over the first one 10 times out of 10. Managing people is a chore.

mathgladiator3y ago

If you're a top performer, then you can make seven figures at $meta as an IC

raspberry13373y ago

I don't work at Meta, but if its anything like where I currently work, the ones who become "managers" have no correlation to coding performance, or perfomance at all for that matter.

dagw3y ago

Which is a good thing. You should be become a manager because you think you would enjoy being a manager more than being a coder, and are passionate about being really good at managing. Being good at coding doesn't mean you'll automatically be good at (or enjoy) dealing with admin, budgeting, resource planning and personnel issues.

I've been managed by truly brilliant coders who just wished they could go back to sitting in their office and code. No one was happy with that situation.

raspberry13373y ago

I didn't write it out, but our managers have no idea of the code at all. They have never been programmers. Hence the programmers sit around all day, like posting on HN, and not much gets done at all. But hey they are surely really passionate about managing.

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ceejayoz3y ago

Sure. Same reason the State Department doesn't typically source its diplomats from the Navy SEALs. Different skills, different types of people.

brapOP3y ago

For most FAANG companies, it's IC -> TL -> TLM -> EM, unless you explicitly insist on remaining IC/TL (and then you're on the chopping block, because promotion trajectory for ICs becomes very, very slow beyond a certain point).

fingerlocks3y ago

This isn’t true. I personally know gray hairs that retired as ICs in at least three of those letters in your outdated acronym.

It should be MAAAM by now- Microsoft is famous for the IC rest-and-vest to ‘55 lifestyle.

fach3y ago

This isn’t true in my experience across a few FAANGs. And promotion is very slow on both tracks once you get to terminal level + 1.

pedrosorio3y ago

> and then you're on the chopping block, because promotion trajectory for ICs becomes very, very slow beyond a certain point

The former does not follow from the latter.

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0 pointsbrap3y ago0 comments

  1. Work at Meta
  2. Be top performer
  3. Get promoted to manager
  4. Manage <5 people as a newbie manager
  5. Get fired because you don't manage enough people

Or, alternatively:

  1. Work at Meta
  2. Be top performer
  3. Never get promoted

I don't know, this doesn't make me want to work at Meta. Certainly not as a top performer.

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dx0343y ago

gardenhedge3y ago

Personally, if I enjoy my work and my pay stays at or above market rate, I don't need title promotions.

brapOP3y ago

  1. Work at Meta
  2. Be top performer
  3. Remain in your role for too many years
  4. Get fired because you're expensive with no growth trajectory

gardenhedge3y ago

You got me there :)

paganel3y ago

I'm not in the demographic anymore to be hired by Meta, but I'd definitely choose the second scenario over the first one 10 times out of 10. Managing people is a chore.

mathgladiator3y ago

If you're a top performer, then you can make seven figures at $meta as an IC

raspberry13373y ago

I don't work at Meta, but if its anything like where I currently work, the ones who become "managers" have no correlation to coding performance, or perfomance at all for that matter.

dagw3y ago

I've been managed by truly brilliant coders who just wished they could go back to sitting in their office and code. No one was happy with that situation.

raspberry13373y ago

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ceejayoz3y ago

Sure. Same reason the State Department doesn't typically source its diplomats from the Navy SEALs. Different skills, different types of people.

brapOP3y ago

fingerlocks3y ago

This isn’t true. I personally know gray hairs that retired as ICs in at least three of those letters in your outdated acronym.

It should be MAAAM by now- Microsoft is famous for the IC rest-and-vest to ‘55 lifestyle.

fach3y ago

This isn’t true in my experience across a few FAANGs. And promotion is very slow on both tracks once you get to terminal level + 1.

pedrosorio3y ago

> and then you're on the chopping block, because promotion trajectory for ICs becomes very, very slow beyond a certain point

The former does not follow from the latter.

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse