undefined | Better HN

0 pointsnumpad03y ago0 comments

> You really think 'pawoo.net' and 'mstdn.jp' are fabulous advertisements for Mastodon of over 2M users on those instances

Yes.

My understanding at this point is that, firstly, instances that do not federate with these, and those cheap “CP” accusations, has no relevance in this discussion, because nothing comes out of those.

Secondly, it seems completely plausible to me at this time, that a central Mastodon instance will become the core of a Western European social media landscape, in the way this wartime Russian Federation maintains VKontakte, or that Communist China maintains Sina Weibo. And Misskey could be another such for another region, each contributing to slow segregation of the Internet at religious-social-political interfaces.

Such violent responses that you have expressed against the names of .jp and Pawoo is plausibly an indication of those developments.

0 comments

rvz3y ago

> My understanding at this point is that, firstly, instances that do not federate with these, and those cheap “CP” accusations, has no relevance in this discussion, because nothing comes out of those.

It is totally relevant since not only you just mentioned both of those instances, but they also have over a million users there which CP and loli culture is pervasive on those instances and hiding the problem under the rug only makes Mastodon a far worse place, given that the majority of those instances is full of that CP content which is completely illegal in lots of countries and is hardly appealing to normal users.

> Secondly, it seems completely plausible to me at this time, that a central Mastodon instance will become the core of a Western European social media landscape...

Right, eventually defeating the whole point of federation with more re-centralization and co-ordinated instance-level banning and you advocating a centralized government controlled social networks being much better. What could possibly go wrong? /s

> Such violent responses that you have expressed against the names of .jp and Pawoo is plausibly an indication of those developments.

What "violent responses"? The basic facts about Mastodon may indeed hurt, but you advertising those two instances that have over a million users using it for loli and illegal CP content doesn't put Mastodon in a good light and makes it completely unsuitable as a 'direct substitute' to Twitter.

numpad0OP3y ago

> given that the majority of those instances is full of that CP content which is completely illegal in lots of countries and is hardly appealing to normal users.

I say they can totally beep beep beep about that. I don't advocate violence and/or harm, but that's the Internet. If that isn't appealing to normal users, the Web 2.5.x and social media in their entirety are not for normal users, which it probably is a correct observation given recent reports of mental health issues skyrocketing. But I doubt Web3 or later will be any "better".

>> Such violent responses > What "violent responses"?

.jp, Pawoo, Misskey at this moment are kids running around. I would think something very similar can be said about *chan, though personally they creep me out. Either way, it's not a horde of groomers conspiring over Tor. When a bunch of smart people actively tries to reframe and crush kids running around as "dark web illegal CP sharing activities left unsolved in un-enlightened countries" that's a violent response.

With the continuous growth of streaming and video social medias and looking at what are trending there, I doubt the adoption of so-called "completely illegal in lots of countries and is hardly appealing to normal users" content will even slow down. It will completely normalize, and if it did not in the EU, the EU is going to isolate itself leading to further fragmentation of the 'net scape.

> and you advocating a centralized government controlled social networks being much better. What could possibly go wrong? /s

Oh, forgot this part. I think it's within possibility that more municipal level governments start hosting ActivityPub servers, irrelevant to whether it's idealistically ideal, in case there will be significant numbers of entities that can't migrate to Insta but actually needed non-Twitter-Twitter.

rvz3y ago

> If that isn't appealing to normal users, the Web 2.5.x and social media in their entirety are not for normal users, which it probably is a correct observation given recent reports of mental health issues skyrocketing. But I doubt Web3 or later will be any "better".

Who mentioned or is talking about Web3 here?

> .jp, Pawoo, Misskey at this moment are kids running around. I would think something very similar can be said about *chan, though personally they creep me out. Either way, it's not a horde of groomers conspiring over Tor. When a bunch of smart people actively tries to reframe and crush kids running around as "dark web illegal CP sharing activities left unsolved in un-enlightened countries" that's a violent response.

It takes me ONE second to link to open evidence of CP and loli content on the TWO original instances YOU promoted. If you're going to mention another instance; I might as well mention 'baarag.net' again. Since that is an equally large Mastodon instance in the millions and is one that you know that is not 'kid' friendly which the content hosted there is unsuitable and even illegal in the majority parts of the world and you know that.

> With the continuous growth of streaming and video social medias and looking at what are trending there, I doubt the adoption of so-called "completely illegal in lots of countries and is hardly appealing to normal users" content will even slow down. It will completely normalize, and if it did not in the EU, the EU is going to isolate itself leading to further fragmentation of the 'net scape.

By allowing loli and CP content for all normal users? You do know that there is a reason why the majority of countries that have CP laws have made it illegal?

> Oh, forgot this part. I think it's within possibility that more municipal level governments start hosting ActivityPub servers, irrelevant to whether it's idealistically ideal, in case there will be significant numbers of entities that can't migrate to Insta but actually needed non-Twitter-Twitter.

Governments go where the majority of normal user voter base is and that is on centralized social networks like Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and TikTok. They don't follow where techies, furries or loli and CP fans are hiding.

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse

0 comments

rvz3y ago

> Secondly, it seems completely plausible to me at this time, that a central Mastodon instance will become the core of a Western European social media landscape...

> Such violent responses that you have expressed against the names of .jp and Pawoo is plausibly an indication of those developments.

numpad0OP3y ago

> given that the majority of those instances is full of that CP content which is completely illegal in lots of countries and is hardly appealing to normal users.

>> Such violent responses > What "violent responses"?

> and you advocating a centralized government controlled social networks being much better. What could possibly go wrong? /s

rvz3y ago

Who mentioned or is talking about Web3 here?

By allowing loli and CP content for all normal users? You do know that there is a reason why the majority of countries that have CP laws have made it illegal?

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse