https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34917743
(330 points/4 days ago/85 comments)
That said...The sale was rumored to be about $20b. Does anyone really think that Figma has any chance of producing a return to shareholders even close to that sale price even if they charge customers aggressively?
Adobe is serving their shareholder interests by munching up the competition, Figma is selling to Adobe because of the reasons you outlined, and the regulators are stepping in to represent the interests of the public.
This is very much the system working as-designed
The system was designed to criminalize any attempt to monopolize, not just block the transaction.
The Sherman antitrust act was quite clear about it:
> Sec. 2. Every person who shall monopolize, or attempt to monopolize, or combine or conspire with any other person or persons, to monopolize any part of the trade or commerce among the several States, or with foreign nations, shall be deemed guilty of a misdemeanor, and, on conviction thereof; shall be punished by fine not exceeding five thousand dollars, or by imprisonment not exceeding one year, or by both said punishments, in the discretion of the court.
Later it was made a felony.
It is not enforced this way by the courts.
Regulators step in and say "That would be a monopoly", to which everyone involved says "Darn, well we can't continue trying to merge then, since that would be a felony".
This all seems totally fine and legal and working as designed.
Edit: I looked up the justice department’s stance. From: https://www.justice.gov/atr/antitrust-laws-and-you
The Sherman Antitrust Act
This Act outlaws all contracts, combinations, and conspiracies that unreasonably restrain interstate and foreign trade. This includes agreements among competitors to fix prices, rig bids, and allocate customers, which are punishable as criminal felonies.
The Sherman Act also makes it a crime to monopolize any part of interstate commerce. An unlawful monopoly exists when one firm controls the market for a product or service, and it has obtained that market power, not because its product or service is superior to others, but by suppressing competition with anticompetitive conduct.
The Act, however, is not violated simply when one firm's vigorous competition and lower prices take sales from its less efficient competitors; in that case, competition is working properly.
> The $20 billion purchase price for Figma equated to 50 times its forecast $400 million annualized recurring revenues in 2022
If you think that serves Adobe shareholder interest, you are mistaken.
Adobe rightfully sees itself standing on the edge of a cliff. Adobe XD, despite having some great features, was handily clobbered in the market first by Sketch, and then by the vastly lighter-weight Figma. Beyond that, Figma has a great, intuitive, smooth interface for making vector graphics. It's not nearly as powerful as Illustrator, but easily does what most interface and web designers need, and that's probably a huge chunk of Illustrator's market rather than the more intensive digital artist users.
If they lose Illustrator, the ecosystem is a lot less valuable. Photoshop has significant competition from relative newcomers and print media, etc. made in InDesign is has much less gravity than it used to.
So rather than trying to make better and more innovative products in earnest, they're going to try to buy and suppress their competition just like Autodesk and so many other dinosaur graphics companies.
The harm to citizens outweighs the benefit to shareholders by too much in this case to allow it.
If you think this is theoretical, see the startup scene in Europe and Canada.
Kanpai!
They could pivot to selling drugs.
Point is, who cares? Shareholders don't have an inalienable right to maximum profits.
I have no idea how to balance this btw.