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0 pointscorobo3y ago0 comments

Are you getting confused with a VPN? Those words in that order are a bad thing for a VPN, not so much a CDN.

These are all reasons I use Cloudflare lmao. Yes I need them to decrypt the traffic because they do various rules and caching for me. That DDoS protection would be pretty naff if they couldn't see the traffic! In one case I really wish they did log, I had to write my own Worker to log the info I needed.

If we were talking outbound proxy then fair enough but it's not like Cloudflare have strongarmed me into using them.. it was me that updated the NS records!

A lot of the list from that site just seem to describe what Cloudflare does, they don't seem to say why each thing is actually a bad thing.

Really does feel like someone's got a hate rod on for Cloudflare and tried to crowbar in as many VPN criticisms without understanding the difference between a VPN/proxy and a CDN.

0 pointscorobo3y ago0 comments

Are you getting confused with a VPN? Those words in that order are a bad thing for a VPN, not so much a CDN.

If we were talking outbound proxy then fair enough but it's not like Cloudflare have strongarmed me into using them.. it was me that updated the NS records!

A lot of the list from that site just seem to describe what Cloudflare does, they don't seem to say why each thing is actually a bad thing.

Really does feel like someone's got a hate rod on for Cloudflare and tried to crowbar in as many VPN criticisms without understanding the difference between a VPN/proxy and a CDN.

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danuker3y ago· 2 in thread

I am equally repelled by VPNs[1] and CDNs[2]. I probably should have started with my own articles.

1 - https://danuker.go.ro/dont-use-vpns.html

2 - https://danuker.go.ro/how-to-protect-your-personal-data.html

coroboOP3y ago

Even your own article (VPN hate is a given, of course, moving on) doesn't really go into the why of the reasoning.

They might get hacked? So might my site! In fact if you were a dedicated attacker I'd advise you go after my hosting rather than try to crack Cloudflare, it'll be much quicker. Probably be even quicker to just come at me irl and start snapping fingers until I logged you in as an admin.

They might sell data or censor my site? I doubt they would but if they did start doing so it takes like 20 seconds to update the nameservers. I'm not being held hostage, promise!

The arguments just don't work when it's my site and I've consented to using Cloudflare.

You're welcome to block Cloudflare's networks your side if you don't want to use them of course but I want all of the things they do in between you and my site. That's why am using them.

danuker3y ago

> it takes like 20 seconds to update the nameservers

Users are being denied your site without your knowledge. People using nonstandard browsers (such as for accessibility or security reasons), Tor/I2P for privacy, scrapers, hobbyists and so on. Maybe the content is replaced in certain cases (like governments targeting certain individuals).

> I'm not being held hostage, promise!

If you can easily turn off the CDN and still serve your traffic with reasonable performance, then you are not. Otherwise, you are.

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