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0 pointsAndrewKemendo3y ago0 comments

>financially compensated just as well

Actually better [1]: "Additionally, the average cooperative wage paid at all reporting worker cooperatives is $19.67 per hour, more than $7 higher than the minimum wage in the 13 states with the most worker co-ops."

Oh, I'm sorry. You were probably talking about the infinitely small minority of software workers that make the top of the top salaries + non-controlling equity that is just more salary really. So long as you don't get laid off right?

Should all labor be structured around some pipe-dream that everyone can be a billionaire as long as nobody shares or cares about those around them?

The problem is that it's an apples to oranges comparison friend

On average most people make more than people on average in corporations it's just that the lottery ticket like chance of getting so rich that you can move into the capital class and leave all the peasants back on earth is not only unlikely, it's explicitly an anti-goal.

[2] https://ncbaclusa.coop/blog/worker-co-op-employees-now-earn-...

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Kalium3y ago· 2 in thread

I think if you want to argue to specific people that they should join your nascent cooperative on the basis that it will pay just as well, you should be prepared to have some way to back that up for the particular workers you're trying to recruit. If that's the infinitely small minority of software workers in question, then that's the wage you have to meet. This is an apples to apples comparison because it was set up that way from the start. If you want to argue they should take a pay cut to do something morally superior, then you should argue this instead of claiming equivalent pay is readily achievable.

This is not a general position about how all or even any significant portion of labor should be organized. This is a specific comment, offered narrowly in a particular and rather unusual situation.

You seem to be treating me as someone who opposes cooperatives. This is amusingly far from correct. My objections here are not anti-cooperative, they are practical objections to the contradictions in the plan of someone I would like to see succeed.

AndrewKemendoOP3y ago

Edit: Sorry for being abrasive

It's not "either or", it's "yes and" is my point.

And yes the plan is to pay what the cooperative approves. If we can afford 500k per worker and meet all cooperative goals and the organization approves it in the annual budget then that's what everyone will get.

Kalium3y ago

Yes and the person I was engaged with was attempting to make a half-baked case for worker-owners financially valuing equity in a cooperative the same way an investor with access to a liquid market would. Which is a patent absurdity.

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