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0 pointsrobswc3y ago0 comments

Something like this is always posted whenever Project Veritas comes up. I agree they're mostly finding things for outrage culture and are generally annoying... sometimes they uncover legitimately concerning things though.

That said, here's an example of why I dislike this "argument."

Joseph Bruno, Dean of Students, Francis W. Parker School: “So, I’ve been the Dean for four years. During Pride -- we do a Pride Week every year -- I had our LGBTQ+ Health Center come in [to the classroom]. They were passing around butt-plugs and dildos to my students -- talking about queer sex, using lube versus using spit.”

The school's response:

A school spokesperson said the dean was “filmed without his knowledge or permission while describing one example of our inclusive, LGBTQ+ affirming a comprehensive approach to sex education. Veritas deceptively edited the video with malicious intent.” [1]

Notice, they say absolutely _nothing_ about whether they [2] pass around butt-plugs and dildos. If anything, their statement lends to the idea that they do in fact do that. I do not care if the Dean was "misled" or the video is "edited" unless that disproves what the Dean claimed. My bar isn't that high at all.

[1] : https://www.wane.com/news/private-school-defends-dean-after-...

[2] : edit, as some believe my original wording (do give out sex toys to kids) was disingenuous

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noibl3y ago

Your substitution...

- passing around butt-plugs and dildos to my students

+ [giving] out sex toys to kids

...is an example of exactly the kind of transcription error via which controversy ignites into hysteria. If we are to interpret your intent charitably, we must also charitably assume that abstract anatomical models (sex toys) are a useful and valid demonstration tool in the context of sexual health education.

hnbad3y ago

FWIW most dildos aimed at women are not actually "anatomical models" and would not be recognizable if you've never seen one before. Likewise, butt-plugs may sound kinky but they don't look particularly imposing unless you deliberately go for extreme sizes. Also presumably much like condoms often handed out to students in sex ed, it's safe to assume these aren't used. The "leak" deliberately evokes the image of a queer predator handing out their own massive butt plugs and veiny rubber dongs to children to seduce them into sexual acts.

The video is not just supposed to spark outrage with extreme conservatives who think giving "children" (I can't find any source specifying the age so this could be anything from 6 to 17) an opportunity to ask questions about sex is child abuse (or "grooming", "sexualizing children", etc), but also moderates who assume the worst because of how this "revelation" is reported on (after all, if it makes headlines, it must be bad).

noibl3y ago

Several good points of clarification. My own phrasing leaned heavily on "abstract".

robswcOP3y ago

I was actually trying to be _less_ polarizing in my phrasing.

The issue isn't that ppl are under the impression they got to take these items home. The issue is that there is 0 reason on earth for schools to be introducing kids to butt-plugs and passing them around like its show and tell.

tanaros3y ago

I have not watched the video, but I will note that “passing around” can mean “passing around the room [and then taking back].” The linked article says only the toys were “shown.”

This is not the same as “[giving] out sex toys to kids.”

robswcOP3y ago

>This is not the same as “[giving] out sex toys to kids.”

I consider someone coming in and giving out butt-plugs to kids the same as "giving out sex toys to kids." I don't think anyone was under the impression that they got to take them home, if that's what you're thinking.

I was actually trying to be less polarizing in my phrasing.

gjsman-10003y ago

For the people that the story targets, even if there may be that misunderstanding, does that make it any much better?

hnbad3y ago

I'd wager the group of people outraged hearing that some person who is not even a teacher is invited to hand out veiny rubber dongs to their children is larger than the group of people outraged hearing that a sexual health educator passed around something that looks more like a smooth plastic carrot (and collected it before leaving). So yeah, the difference matters and leaving this open to interpretation aids embellishment and therefore reach. After all, where there's smoke, there's fire: if this gets reported on, it surely can't be the most charitable version of events.

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0 pointsrobswc3y ago0 comments

That said, here's an example of why I dislike this "argument."

The school's response:

[1] : https://www.wane.com/news/private-school-defends-dean-after-...

[2] : edit, as some believe my original wording (do give out sex toys to kids) was disingenuous

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noibl3y ago

Your substitution...

- passing around butt-plugs and dildos to my students

+ [giving] out sex toys to kids

hnbad3y ago

noibl3y ago

Several good points of clarification. My own phrasing leaned heavily on "abstract".

robswcOP3y ago

I was actually trying to be _less_ polarizing in my phrasing.

tanaros3y ago

I have not watched the video, but I will note that “passing around” can mean “passing around the room [and then taking back].” The linked article says only the toys were “shown.”

This is not the same as “[giving] out sex toys to kids.”

robswcOP3y ago

>This is not the same as “[giving] out sex toys to kids.”

I was actually trying to be less polarizing in my phrasing.

gjsman-10003y ago

For the people that the story targets, even if there may be that misunderstanding, does that make it any much better?

hnbad3y ago

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