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0 pointsvalenterry3y ago0 comments

The thing is, we mostly try to keep applications stateless, unless it's necessary to keep state for performance (think realtime onlinegames, hft, ...).

And in those cases there is simply no need for e.g. supervision trees because there is nothing to restart. You still need stuff like retrying, but this is supported by all major concurrency libraries / effect systems. In fact, Erlang has fallen behind here in terms of what the language offers (not what the BEAM offers, the BEAM is still top notch imho)

State is mostly moved to either the database or message queues or similar, which is pretty good.

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OkayPhysicist3y ago

We try to keep applications stateless because state handling in most programming languages is pathological. Erlang presents a different solution to the underlying problem of state management, rather than the trying to solve the higher-level of "how best to support this one particular solution to the problem of state management".

Namely: The message queues are part of the language. They're built right in, for ease of use. Your caching layer is built into the language, for ease of use and faster performance.

valenterryOP3y ago

> We try to keep applications stateless because state handling in most programming languages is pathological.

It's true that handling state is hard in most programming languages. But that's neither the only nor the most important reason why people try to keep applications stateless.

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