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0 pointspjmlp3y ago0 comments

It is a bit more convulated than that.

Dart was being pushed as JavaScript replacement, back when everyone had one.

However Chrome team failed to push ChromiumVM and eventually the project was ramped down, by then AdWords had made a massive investment moving from GWT into AngularDart, so they rescued the project.

Eventually Flutter, initally prototyped in JavaScript, moved into Dart, and they also decided to change the language semantics from dynamic language with gradual typing (Dart 1.x), to static typing with type inference (Dart 2.0).

Somewhere alongside this timeline, many well known names from language design like Gilad Bracha and Kasper Lund, well known for favouring dynamic languages, left the project.

Kasper Lund's latest project, is not surprising also a dynamic language, https://toit.io/

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dr_kiszonka3y ago

Do you know what is the relationship between Dart/Flutter and Kotlin? On paper, it seems that Dart/Flutter is a better choice in the context of mobile dev because it is cross platform. If I were to focus on Android exclusively, would Kotlin offer any advantages over Dart/Flutter?

I guess I am trying to understand why these two coexist, which one to learn, and how likely it is that Google will kill Dart/Flutter in the next 5-10 years.

pjmlpOP3y ago

Politics, go to Android SDK site, you will hardly find anything related to Flutter.

It is all about Java, Kotlin, C, C++, Web widgets and PWAs.

I am not a big Kotlin fan, the way Android has pushed it using their Android Java as counter example instead of supporting modern Java, however as JVM language it definitely has a broader industry support than Dart.

dr_kiszonka3y ago

Very useful - thanks for answering!

fakedang3y ago

Just to add on, Kotlin also does have some (limited) multi-platform features, with potential to build on for more.

Honestly, Flutter is an amazing framework conceptually, but Dart may prove to be its demise. I just hope there is a possibility for Flutter based on Typescript or Kotlin in the future.

pjmlpOP3y ago

That is impossible, because Flutter is written in Dart on top of Skia, most Dart 2.0 features have been done to improve that development experience, using any other language means basically a full rewrite.

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0 pointspjmlp3y ago0 comments

It is a bit more convulated than that.

Dart was being pushed as JavaScript replacement, back when everyone had one.

However Chrome team failed to push ChromiumVM and eventually the project was ramped down, by then AdWords had made a massive investment moving from GWT into AngularDart, so they rescued the project.

Somewhere alongside this timeline, many well known names from language design like Gilad Bracha and Kasper Lund, well known for favouring dynamic languages, left the project.

Kasper Lund's latest project, is not surprising also a dynamic language, https://toit.io/

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dr_kiszonka3y ago

I guess I am trying to understand why these two coexist, which one to learn, and how likely it is that Google will kill Dart/Flutter in the next 5-10 years.

pjmlpOP3y ago

Politics, go to Android SDK site, you will hardly find anything related to Flutter.

It is all about Java, Kotlin, C, C++, Web widgets and PWAs.

dr_kiszonka3y ago

Very useful - thanks for answering!

fakedang3y ago

Just to add on, Kotlin also does have some (limited) multi-platform features, with potential to build on for more.

Honestly, Flutter is an amazing framework conceptually, but Dart may prove to be its demise. I just hope there is a possibility for Flutter based on Typescript or Kotlin in the future.

pjmlpOP3y ago

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