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0 pointssweetheart3y ago0 comments

> Self defense is an easy first place to look.

There are some extremely relevant and notable moral differences between someone defending their own life from a threat, and raising a lamb in a cage so small that it cannot turn around, forcing it to drink it's own urine in a desperate attempt to recycle the little iron it has in it's system (gotta keep the meat anemic and tender!), before stunning it with a bolt gun and slitting it's throat. All because you enjoy the taste.

It is not a case of having different values. It is a case of being socialized from a young age to disregard the wellbeing of certain animals. The values are fundamentally the same.

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fargle3y ago· 2 in thread

who "raises a lamb in a cage so small that it cannot turn around, forcing it to drink it's own urine?"

I can find no legitimate evidence that this is even a thing. It seems a mixture of peta propaganda about various other animals but not lambs. I can't find a single example of "forced to drink it's own urine ... [for iron]".

raising an animal for meat isn't pretty but it's never in fact what this comment alleges.

sweetheartOP3y ago

https://youtu.be/zmu0-1qj-vo

You’re right. I meant to type veal. Here you go!

fargle3y ago

but again, I can find nowhere where animals are "forced to drink it's own urine in a desperate attempt to recycle the little iron it has in it's system"

so lambs and calves are not the same, and drinking urine is not a thing. it's possible you might be getting overly upset about stuff you don't completely understand.

for a more balanced and professional take on veal and eating meat: https://youtu.be/bMGIAZDqYYs

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ch4s33y ago· 1 in thread

You’re arguing against a stew man. I responded to a prompt about cases where one might make an argument about not causing suffering up until the point of taking lethal action with respect to people.

In fact I was making a case for considering animal welfare as a meat eater.

sweetheartOP3y ago

How exactly did I mis characterize your argument? I’ve reread it about 10 times and cannot understand how you’re advocating for animal welfare.

You say that people can easily value animals lives less than their tastebuds, but still want to minimize suffering (which is wrong, because minimizing suffering would mean not killing anyone).

Then you make the case that self defense could be a similar example of taking well-being into consideration while still causing fatal harm.

I make the point that self defense isn’t remotely like the act of killing animals for food, and you said I’m building a strawman. What exactly is being lost in translation?

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fargle3y ago· 2 in thread

who "raises a lamb in a cage so small that it cannot turn around, forcing it to drink it's own urine?"

raising an animal for meat isn't pretty but it's never in fact what this comment alleges.

sweetheartOP3y ago

https://youtu.be/zmu0-1qj-vo

You’re right. I meant to type veal. Here you go!

fargle3y ago

but again, I can find nowhere where animals are "forced to drink it's own urine in a desperate attempt to recycle the little iron it has in it's system"

so lambs and calves are not the same, and drinking urine is not a thing. it's possible you might be getting overly upset about stuff you don't completely understand.

for a more balanced and professional take on veal and eating meat: https://youtu.be/bMGIAZDqYYs

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ch4s33y ago· 1 in thread

In fact I was making a case for considering animal welfare as a meat eater.

sweetheartOP3y ago

How exactly did I mis characterize your argument? I’ve reread it about 10 times and cannot understand how you’re advocating for animal welfare.

You say that people can easily value animals lives less than their tastebuds, but still want to minimize suffering (which is wrong, because minimizing suffering would mean not killing anyone).

Then you make the case that self defense could be a similar example of taking well-being into consideration while still causing fatal harm.

I make the point that self defense isn’t remotely like the act of killing animals for food, and you said I’m building a strawman. What exactly is being lost in translation?

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