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0 pointsnaikrovek3y ago0 comments

the humans at GitHub have created software which by definition cannot create copyrighted works. if the AI cannot create copyrighted works, it cannot violate copyright.

Humans can create copyrighted works, and therefore can violate copyright.

Given these things, I fail to see how anyone at GitHub could get into any trouble, legally.

Thus, the suit against GitHub/Microsoft will fail, which was the point that I apparently failed to communicate clearly enough.

If anyone is liability-adjacent here, it is copilot users, who must always be mindful of what they write anyway.

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paulryanrogers3y ago

Just calling something AI doesn't copyright-wash the output.

If I write an RE to strip license comments and sell it as AI that doesn't mean I'm innocent of facilitating copyright infringement.

Or if I sell a NN to strip watermarks from a movie broadcast it's unlikely a court is going to throw out the case because "welp it's AI, no copyright".

naikrovekOP3y ago

go look up the findings from courts on this and come tell me i’m wrong. computers cannot create copyrighted work alone; the human operating and/or programming the computer is who copyright is granted to.

in the case of Copilot, the output is determined by the keystrokes of the user who uses copilot; that user must decide if what they see is to be used, or if some other piece of code should be used instead, or if they need to provide more input or even just write the thing themselves. Copilot aids the user; it does not run automatically or non-interactively, meaning it alone cannot violate copyright.

no computer or computer program has EVER been granted copyright, anyway. ever. justification for those decisions is that copyrightable work necessarily requires intellectual effort to create, which is something only a human can supply, by definition.

int_19h3y ago

The question is not whether CoPilot output violates copyright (or rather, that is a separate question that is a concern for users of CoPilot). The question is whether CoPilot itself - the model, that is - constitutes a derived work.

naikrovekOP3y ago

that will not pass muster to even be argued in court. i’m so tired of arguing with people about this.

go read some court judgements on PACER for a while, you’ll see.

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0 pointsnaikrovek3y ago0 comments

the humans at GitHub have created software which by definition cannot create copyrighted works. if the AI cannot create copyrighted works, it cannot violate copyright.

Humans can create copyrighted works, and therefore can violate copyright.

Given these things, I fail to see how anyone at GitHub could get into any trouble, legally.

Thus, the suit against GitHub/Microsoft will fail, which was the point that I apparently failed to communicate clearly enough.

If anyone is liability-adjacent here, it is copilot users, who must always be mindful of what they write anyway.

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paulryanrogers3y ago

Just calling something AI doesn't copyright-wash the output.

If I write an RE to strip license comments and sell it as AI that doesn't mean I'm innocent of facilitating copyright infringement.

Or if I sell a NN to strip watermarks from a movie broadcast it's unlikely a court is going to throw out the case because "welp it's AI, no copyright".

naikrovekOP3y ago

int_19h3y ago

naikrovekOP3y ago

that will not pass muster to even be argued in court. i’m so tired of arguing with people about this.

go read some court judgements on PACER for a while, you’ll see.

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