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0 pointsautoexec3y ago0 comments

I read it as: the company doesn't have set pricing but rather has a sales person/department that will charge you more than the next person for the exact same product/service if they have any reason to suspect they can get away with it after learning as much as they can about your finances and only after wasting your time on a high pressure sales pitch.

If someone refuses to openly list prices they're either:

  - Embarrassed by the amount of money they're charging  

  - Aware they charge more than others and don't want to let you comparison shop easily 

  - Planning on setting as high a price as possible depending on how much you can be fleeced into paying

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Thespian23y ago

We may not like it, but your last point is almost the exact definition of what a "price" is. Things don't have objective "prices" as an intrinsic quality. They don't even have "reasonable" prices intrinsically. A price is no more, and no less than an agreement between buyer and seller to make a transaction happen.

"how much you can be fleeced into paying" while a proactive way to phrase it, is also "What you are willing to pay." Key words - "you are willing". If it's too high, then it isn't a price, as there is no agreement.

Seller wants highest price, and buyer wants lowest.

When it's a commodity, like apples at the store, with many sellers of a basically undifferentiated product, prices average out to something we think of as "fair." But when a product is unique, or there is a monopoly on it, seller has a huge advantage in pricing.

autoexecOP3y ago

> We may not like it, but your last point is almost the exact definition of what a "price" is. Things don't have objective "prices" as an intrinsic quality. They don't even have "reasonable" prices intrinsically. A price is no more, and no less than an agreement between buyer and seller to make a transaction happen.

The difference is that most companies aren't pricing their goods to the maximum amount they think they can get from you personally. They instead price things according to what the majority of their target market is willing to pay.

You can say that ultimately it still comes down to paying only what you're willing to spend, but I might be willing to spend $20 on something, yet also be unwilling to spend $20 on it if I know you've been charging everybody else $12 for that same product. Consumers find personalized dynamic pricing to be unfair and discriminatory and for good reason. There's a really big difference between a company who uses their advantage in pricing to screw over everybody for extra profit and one who uses their advantage to personally screw you over in order to take more from you than they could normally get away with.

Publicly disclosed prices that apply equally to everyone puts a boundary on much a company can take advantage of any one person.

kube-system3y ago

Enterprise SaaS customers are notorious for demanding one-off features, special packages, customizations, or hundreds of hours of meetings. For complicated enterprise products where these requests are inevitable, special pricing is inevitable.

There's a large and very lucrative industry around just implementing SaaS software.

autoexecOP3y ago

You're right that for purely custom solutions it's understandable, but a base price could often be made public for a lot of products and services that don't offer one. Certainly anyone asking for something special expects to have to negotiate on what that's going to cost them above the standard price.

PeterisP3y ago

A base price can only be made public if there exists a base price that would be common among customers - however if it's not priced as a commodity, that's not the case, there simply is not a base price that could be disclosed because there is zero expectation that there should be "the same service" available for the same price, or that there is some base price from which discounts are negotiated or something like that. They want to preserve the ability to have wildly different pricing for different customers, and publishing (or even having internally published) some fixed base price works against that.

If they want to sell their services as custom services, that's the business model - and in this case, they want to make a clear point from the very beginning that this is not a commodity and every deal is a bespoke deal. Even if the technical platform is the same, every business relationship is custom and individually negotiated, with zero expectation that the price you get is in any way related to the prices someone else gets - sometimes that works against you, sometimes that works for you, but that's the business model they've chosen.

kube-system3y ago

It really depends on the nature of the software and the target customer as to whether that makes sense. The spectrum of what "SaaS" is, is just so insanely broad that it's hard to make any sweeping statement here.

chasd003y ago

> There's a large and very lucrative industry around just implementing SaaS software.

The last decade of my career has been multi-million dollar project after project of just setting up and customizing enterprise SaaS software for a customer's specific need.

rco87863y ago

That's just an extremely cynical way to describe "pricing". There are myriad reasons why a company does not have a fixed set of prices that don't have to do with fleecing anyone, being embarrassed, or trying to hide the fact that they charge more than competitors.

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Thespian23y ago

Seller wants highest price, and buyer wants lowest.

autoexecOP3y ago

Publicly disclosed prices that apply equally to everyone puts a boundary on much a company can take advantage of any one person.

kube-system3y ago

There's a large and very lucrative industry around just implementing SaaS software.

autoexecOP3y ago

PeterisP3y ago

kube-system3y ago

chasd003y ago

> There's a large and very lucrative industry around just implementing SaaS software.

The last decade of my career has been multi-million dollar project after project of just setting up and customizing enterprise SaaS software for a customer's specific need.

rco87863y ago

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