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0 pointsAyesh3y ago0 comments

Yeah I don't even know if that upper post was meant to be sarcastic. Telegram, despite the security theater, is amazing UX-wise. It's such a joy to use and I see myself more and more engaging with Telegram contacts just because it's convenient in many subtle yet impactful ways.

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rglullis3y ago· 9 in thread

You can improve the UX of Matrix clients. You can not make Telegram decentralized or take it out of control of one single entity.

nikitaga3y ago

Well if you can, then why aren't they as good as Telegram, and why should I be holding my breath for their UI / UX to suddenly improve? Matrix has been around for almost as long as Telegram.

I don't use either so I don't really care. I just don't expect a consumer service with subpar UI to win market share solely on technical merits.

rakoo3y ago

It won't surprise you that to improve a product, you need people working on it. In a capitalistic society you need to pay them to do that. Telegram sits on the billions of its founders and doesn't need to make revenue, they have money. What company with an infinite supply of money (and, thus, developers, managers, QA, interviewers) are building a Matrix client and can afford to have as many people working in it ?

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gtirloni3y ago

> You can improve the UX of Matrix clients

Apparently, that has not been a priority in many years.

Matrix/Element is so far behind usability/features that it's really only used by people that favor decentralization/openess at the expense of actual users.

mritzmann3y ago

> You can improve the UX of Matrix clients

No. Most people can't do that (because not everyone is a software developer).

Spacemolte3y ago

I don't think he means you, or the users that needs this, but instead that it is possible to do if they are open source.

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AyeshOP3y ago

Honest question, is there are Matrix client that has a decent amount of UX work gone into it? I recently started to use Fluffy, that looks pretty good with a nice clean design, but does not have the same level of polish as Telegram, at least not yet. It's open source and one should try to contribute and not complain, that I figure, but not everyone can contribute in the first place.

Arathorn3y ago

https://element.io/blog/an-unrecognisable-improvement-elemen...

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weissbier3y ago

If you don't mind that it's web based, try Cinny: https://cinny.in

gorgoiler3y ago

The paradox is that if you have the skillset to improve the Matrix UX, you’re probably off doing something else for 10x the impact.

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rglullis3y ago· 9 in thread

You can improve the UX of Matrix clients. You can not make Telegram decentralized or take it out of control of one single entity.

nikitaga3y ago

Well if you can, then why aren't they as good as Telegram, and why should I be holding my breath for their UI / UX to suddenly improve? Matrix has been around for almost as long as Telegram.

I don't use either so I don't really care. I just don't expect a consumer service with subpar UI to win market share solely on technical merits.

rakoo3y ago

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gtirloni3y ago

> You can improve the UX of Matrix clients

Apparently, that has not been a priority in many years.

Matrix/Element is so far behind usability/features that it's really only used by people that favor decentralization/openess at the expense of actual users.

mritzmann3y ago

> You can improve the UX of Matrix clients

No. Most people can't do that (because not everyone is a software developer).

Spacemolte3y ago

I don't think he means you, or the users that needs this, but instead that it is possible to do if they are open source.

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AyeshOP3y ago

Arathorn3y ago

https://element.io/blog/an-unrecognisable-improvement-elemen...

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weissbier3y ago

If you don't mind that it's web based, try Cinny: https://cinny.in

gorgoiler3y ago

The paradox is that if you have the skillset to improve the Matrix UX, you’re probably off doing something else for 10x the impact.

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse