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0 pointsdanjoredd3y ago0 comments

No need to get upset at the guy. Its their choice to use Javascript in the way they want, rather than let any site that wants it use it. Most websites with articles don't need Javascript, and only use it to push ads/paywall articles. If there is a webapp that they want to use, they can always whitelist it.

As for music streaming and instant messaging, not everyone has/needs Discord, Slack, Teams, or anything like that. If you absolutely need it for work, just whitelist it. No problemo. And, not everyone streams music. I barely used Spotify myself until I got an office job and needed something to fill the boredom.

The issue isn't about stopping Javascript as a whole. The issue is about permissions management. Not every site needs it, so not every site should have it. If you need it to work for a webapp, just enable it.

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ecmascript3y ago

I'm not upset, I am just curious and think the guy had quite the ignorant take on the whole subject matter.

I kind of disagree though, most websites do need javascript even if they simply contain only an article. Extremely few devs will care about the astonishing minority that disables javascript by default and saying that the websites that do this is trash, like so many people that favor this kind of thinking does, is being ignorant.

The javascript hate is strange because it's like people would hate programs written in python for no other reason than the program being written in python. I think it comes down to devs not being able to chose and that the only real choice is already made for them so then they end up hating it.

But even alternatives like Phoenix Liveview / Hotwire that minimizes the usage of javascript requires javascript to work properly. In time I believe most websites will ship a wasm binary and then this debate will be over forever and javascript will become irrelevant.

But what do I know? :)