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0 pointsrendall3y ago0 comments

Don't worry. It wasn't the US. Not really our style. Sure, the CIA pulls dirty tricks, but those are quiet, in-the-shadows skullduggery where no one's paying attention. CIA doesn't do big and loud where other Americans can see it.

Plus, motivations are wrong. The US catastrophically ends European energy dependence on Russia so that... it can compete with the Middle East and Russia and Canada on a more equal footing? Yeah, no. The US is not that desperate for cash.

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ktfelt3y ago· 5 in thread

There is Stuxnet and its predecessor, which blew up a pipeline!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/2004/02/27/r...

The U.S. motivation is that it has tried to shut down energy trades between the Soviet Union/Russia and Germany for more than 50 years.

mhh__3y ago

Stuxnet isn't a great example precisely because they never dropped any bombs even though they could've arguably gotten away with it.

It's worth keeping in mind that the pipeline was also pretty much dormant anyway, the official nord stream data has it that flow collapsed around june, down to exactly 0 (by their books, there was still pressure in the pipe) kWh per day by September.

imhoguy3y ago

There is criticism regarding the quoted story, the main is that Soviets at the time mainly used analog/pneumatic and manual control systems, not digital software. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At_the_Abyss

DangerousPie3y ago

But those trades were already shut down and not coming back anytime soon. If Germany had refused to join sanctions and was still using NS1 + NS2 at full capacity right now then maybe there would have been some motivation to force the issue. But why now, when the pipelines weren't even active?

pbak3y ago

You are analyzing this too much in the short term. These pipelines were meant to last for decades.

The pain of seeing a quarter of your industry close for lack of energy might have easily bent the will of Germans and others after this winter. All political announcements about replacing Russian gas before 2027 at the earliest were a pipe dream (pun intended)for anybody with any actual knowledge of the industry.

Even now, a large portion of what was supposedly bought elsewhere was just repackaged and re-originated at the port of loading, but actually Russian gas - hence part of the price hike going to a chain of middlemen.

theironhammer3y ago

AfD were hinting at reviving it. That would possibly be a popular proposal with the German public after this winter. Might get them a lot of votes.

Blowing it up guarantees Nordstream is forever dead.

The same day a new pipeline was announced as open from Norway to Poland.

Didn't a Polish EU MP tweet "Thank-you USA" when the news broke of the explosions.

diimdeep3y ago

Strategic Forecasting Inc. STRATFOR - US 'Private CIA' firm disagrees.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tX7G3wIzBhs&t=9s

LargoLasskhyfv3y ago

Dude...

Prez Biden said the U.S. will stop it.

Victoria Nuland said the same.

There was Baltops 22, which just happened to 'practice' dearming underwater mines, as mentioned in local media.

Also mentioned in local media, the last three ships of the U.S. Navy passed by there just a week before the explosions,

with one especially suited for such operations.

Also one U.S. Navy Helo flying and circling exactly above the areas of the explosions, as shown by several tracking sites.

Apply some 'Occams razor'...

edit: Eyeroll

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