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0 pointsepolanski3y ago0 comments

Hans is known to have cheated, his coach is known to have cheated, add low security in the event, Hans beating Magnus (a player two tiers above him) on black pieces (Magnus has lost only 15 games against black in an entire world champion career) and Hans acting suspicious during the game and here we are.

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flyax3y ago

chess.com suggests Hans cheated more than he admits. He did (much?) better in tournaments with zero delay. In a few consecutive tournaments, he made a lot of top engine moves, slightly above Magnus/Kasparov/Fisher at their best. He had a hard time explaining his lines in the interview after the game (with Firouzja I think).

initplus3y ago

The analysis of him doing better in broadcast/non-broadcast games was flawed, the analysis mis-categorized several of the tournaments in a way that made the conclusion stronger.

flyax3y ago

Thanks, I missed that information.

I would say there is more than a cheating history and a single game that triggered Magnus. However, most of it has a possible explanation. Like, I would be very nervous if you put me in front of a camera at 19 years. Are these arguments together strong enough? Hard to judge.

TakeBlaster163y ago

Let the chess speak for itself... because I sure can't explain it!

geertj3y ago

> Hans is known to have cheated

Do you have a link to this? Proof that this player has cheated in the past would be the strongest evidence, I believe, he'd do so again.

jdthedisciple3y ago

This is not disputed, he has admitted to it himself:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oU6UJz_X8DU

casion3y ago

He admitted to having previously cheated. The admission happened during the Sinquefeld cup, on stream, during the event.

Having cheated in prior history is not a question, but the extent and recency of the behavior is.

sixothree3y ago

I don't know if there's data but people who have cheated in the past often seem to cheat in the future. Having watched some videos about the state of speed-running video games lately intersected with how gambling cheaters seems to never stop cheating supports that.

tradertef3y ago

He admits to cheating in the video linked below. However, that's when he was 12 (and 16) and his friend helped. It is much more different situation then anal beads or electronics in your shoe.

Disclaimer: don't know much about chess, let alone professional chess.

lupire3y ago

Also his coach was caught cheating in a titled tournament on chess.com

PKop3y ago

And chess.com and Magnus have disputed that Hans has admitted to all of the times he has cheated.

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sentientslug3y ago

Niemann during an interview admitted to having cheated in the past

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flyax3y ago

initplus3y ago

The analysis of him doing better in broadcast/non-broadcast games was flawed, the analysis mis-categorized several of the tournaments in a way that made the conclusion stronger.

flyax3y ago

Thanks, I missed that information.

TakeBlaster163y ago

Let the chess speak for itself... because I sure can't explain it!

geertj3y ago

> Hans is known to have cheated

Do you have a link to this? Proof that this player has cheated in the past would be the strongest evidence, I believe, he'd do so again.

jdthedisciple3y ago

This is not disputed, he has admitted to it himself:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oU6UJz_X8DU

casion3y ago

He admitted to having previously cheated. The admission happened during the Sinquefeld cup, on stream, during the event.

Having cheated in prior history is not a question, but the extent and recency of the behavior is.

sixothree3y ago

tradertef3y ago

He admits to cheating in the video linked below. However, that's when he was 12 (and 16) and his friend helped. It is much more different situation then anal beads or electronics in your shoe.

Disclaimer: don't know much about chess, let alone professional chess.

lupire3y ago

Also his coach was caught cheating in a titled tournament on chess.com

PKop3y ago

And chess.com and Magnus have disputed that Hans has admitted to all of the times he has cheated.

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sentientslug3y ago

Niemann during an interview admitted to having cheated in the past

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse