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0 pointsmtlmtlmtlmtl3y ago0 comments

I am aware of MuZero, but I'm not convinced it's able to beat the latest Stockfish. Stockfish continues to dominate TCEC even after the advent of more advanced MCTS searchers.

But MCTS is on my map as something to look into more deeply.

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O__________O3y ago· 2 in thread

For others, in cases it’s unclear:

- MuZero uses MCTS (Monte Carlo Tree Search)

- TCEC (Top Chess Engine Championship) is a computer chess tournament organized and maintained by Chessdom.

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My understanding is MuZero doesn't compete in TCEC, but might be wrong. Given Stockfish is open source and open source versions of MuZero exist, it would be easy enough to test the current version of Stockfish again; honestly surprised if it’s not already done, that it is not, given MuZero already beat it.

mtlmtlmtlmtlOP3y ago

MuZero doesn't, but from what I know MuZero was only on par with AlphaZero, and while AlphaZero beat Stockfish initially, Stockfish has since caught up and continues to beat LeelaZero, an OSS implementation of AlphaZero in TCEC.

O__________O3y ago

My understanding is that MuZero beats AlphaZero, but not by a significant amount. Even if Stockfish is better, to me at this point feels needless, given it’s highly unlikely a human over significant volume of matches would have any hope of beating any of them. It is possible that new approaches for masters might be found, but for average player, guessing it’s highly unlikely that anything new might be uncovered. Am I missing something?

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