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0 pointsnmz3y ago0 comments

I care. I care about start up time. I care because I just had a black out, and that requires booting, I care because I mess with my system and I have to reboot sometimes. I care because I expect software to improve, not get worse. I care about engineering because bad engineering ultimately wastes my time and everyone elses. Everyone can have fun and nobody should prohibit others from doing so. but valid criticism is valid criticism, even though I hate it.

With that said, the counter argument should've been that although powershell does start up slow, (and many other things) it is better than bash in many cases and more performant.

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rektide3y ago

> I care because I just had a black out, and that requires booting, I care because I mess with my system and I have to reboot sometimes.

I have a very hard time believing you are talking about 5 minutes or more per year of wait time. Even two minutes feels suspect.

Personally, kitty or Alacritty or gnome-terminal or terminator or any other graphical terminal I've tried... they are slower to start but it's under 2s, and faster on second load (let's say 1s). It's hard for me to imagine the amount of agony & bitterness, the "I am being deprived of valuable time" for something that costs let's generously say 10 instances of 2s a month, not even a full minute.

And no one is forcing you to switch off what you have. No one is forcing you to stop using serial console or whatever else.

People need to dial down their outrage. This is a huge social problem online. People are vastly overconcerned. Ya'll are not being reasonable. You are being absolutist & maximalists about very particular narrow concerns.

> I care because I expect software to improve, not get worse.

You have an exceedingly narrow & particular view of progress. And it's conservative in that it recognizes & permits no other forms of growth or advancement. You have a high concern that trumps all other concerns & nothing but your own particular view matters.

phaedrix3y ago

I'm guessing you simple don't live in the CLI, i.e. where you're constantly opening new e.g. tmux windows.

Shell startup time _absolutely_ matters.

E.g. slow startup interrupts flow for one thing.

nmzOP3y ago

> I have a very hard time believing you are talking about 5 minutes or more per year of wait time. Even two minutes feels suspect.

Well, the device I was whining about was a pi4 booting from a usb3 hdd (So yes, it will not be instantaneous! because its not an ssd), not an i20 ssd 100 cores device. And I'm not outraged, I looked at it, saw it was a hog and moved on (because again, I care about that stuff). Though, I am slightly outraged at you putting words in my mouth and making a caricature of my self, you don't know me, I don't have an "exceedingly narrow & particular view of progress", I simply know that a device has limited resources, software uses those resources. Allowing software to get less performant, means the system will get less snappy, and that I do hate (mostly because it automatically alerts me of viruses(still have that paranoia) or a runaway process hogging the CPU).

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