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erikpukinskis3y ago· 8 in thread

I would love to see more databases support something like this. “Live queries” kind of thing.

“Modern” app development today usually presumes some element of “live updates” or “multiplayer” functionality. It’s usually handled only partially, in the app layer, with a good amount of spaghetti.

But the database to me seems like the place where this should happen. I should be able to

    SELECT * FROM projects
    WHERE owner_id=x
    ORDER BY name desc
    LIMIT 20
    OFFSET 60;

and then I should be able to subscribe to any changes to that query.

I should be able to have thousands of these subscriptions open at a time.

And ideally I should be able to get an efficient diff rather than a new result. Although a new result would be a great start.

I’m not sure why this isn’t seen as table stakes for databases in 2022. It seems like such a fundamental challenge of distributed application development.

iany3y ago

RisingWave is another option worth considering. Open source and cloud-native from the get-go: https://www.risingwave.dev/docs/latest/intro/

hodgesrm3y ago

ClickHouse has a couple of features along this line: live views and window views. Here's a blog that compares them.

https://altinity.com/blog/battle-of-the-views-clickhouse-win...

Disclaimer: I work for Altinity. Polyscale is a customer.

benjaminwootton3y ago

I did a deep dive video on some of the options around Clickhouse materialised views too:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=i7VYsf1e2qU

fasteo3y ago

Related to this and Polyscale use case. Would this work ?

  CREATE WINDOW VIEW IF NOT EXISTS minute_metrics_wv minute_metrics_tt AS SELECT ... FROM raw_metrics WHERE ... GROUP BY ...

That is, replacing the materialized view if favor of a WINDOW VIEW

contrahax3y ago

RethinkDB (RIP) was really big on this concept and we used it for a few applications back in the day. Even since then (~2016) it doesn't seem to have caught on to any other major DBs.

fasteo3y ago

Check materialize[1]

[1] https://materialize.com/

TOMDM3y ago

Materialize looks like a perfect tool for the job should the need ever arise.

I think my ideal would be for the functionality to be baked directly into PostgreSQL.

Has anyone here used it?

Any comments on speed/scalability/reliability?

The self hosted license seems fairly permissive (Don't cluster, don't let your users manage the database views/queries [IANAL, read the license yourself]), but I'm hesitant given that I have never heard anyones stories about production use.

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powvans3y ago

Elasticsearch has some functionality that does this:

https://www.elastic.co/guide/en/elasticsearch/reference/curr...

More on the concept: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prospective_search

data_ders3y ago· 1 in thread

Potentially ignorant question: who is the intended persona for this product? Is this for people that are serving "data products" to end users but don't want to own and manually configure their caching layer? And the product is magic provided by some automated rollup tables and materialized views based off of the data it sees being used to most? Maybe I'm overthinking..

_ben_3y ago

PolyScale founder here. Assuming you are referring to PolyScale (rather than ClickHouse), the product is aimed at devs who dont want to build data distribution and caching. You can connect your database and then have global low-latency reads, without writing code. Useful for multi-region deployments, serverless/microservices/FaaS as well as simply scaling your origin db.

ClickHouse is used for computing Observability metrics within the UI. The automated caching algorithms do not use ClickHouse in any way. You can read more about the automation here: https://docs.polyscale.ai/how-does-it-work#caching-protocol or try the live demo here: https://playground.polyscale.ai/

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11 comments · 2 top-level

erikpukinskis3y ago· 8 in thread

I would love to see more databases support something like this. “Live queries” kind of thing.

But the database to me seems like the place where this should happen. I should be able to

    SELECT * FROM projects
    WHERE owner_id=x
    ORDER BY name desc
    LIMIT 20
    OFFSET 60;

and then I should be able to subscribe to any changes to that query.

I should be able to have thousands of these subscriptions open at a time.

And ideally I should be able to get an efficient diff rather than a new result. Although a new result would be a great start.

I’m not sure why this isn’t seen as table stakes for databases in 2022. It seems like such a fundamental challenge of distributed application development.

iany3y ago

RisingWave is another option worth considering. Open source and cloud-native from the get-go: https://www.risingwave.dev/docs/latest/intro/

hodgesrm3y ago

ClickHouse has a couple of features along this line: live views and window views. Here's a blog that compares them.

https://altinity.com/blog/battle-of-the-views-clickhouse-win...

Disclaimer: I work for Altinity. Polyscale is a customer.

benjaminwootton3y ago

I did a deep dive video on some of the options around Clickhouse materialised views too:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=i7VYsf1e2qU

fasteo3y ago

Related to this and Polyscale use case. Would this work ?

  CREATE WINDOW VIEW IF NOT EXISTS minute_metrics_wv minute_metrics_tt AS SELECT ... FROM raw_metrics WHERE ... GROUP BY ...

That is, replacing the materialized view if favor of a WINDOW VIEW

contrahax3y ago

RethinkDB (RIP) was really big on this concept and we used it for a few applications back in the day. Even since then (~2016) it doesn't seem to have caught on to any other major DBs.

fasteo3y ago

Check materialize[1]

[1] https://materialize.com/

TOMDM3y ago

Materialize looks like a perfect tool for the job should the need ever arise.

I think my ideal would be for the functionality to be baked directly into PostgreSQL.

Has anyone here used it?

Any comments on speed/scalability/reliability?

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powvans3y ago

Elasticsearch has some functionality that does this:

https://www.elastic.co/guide/en/elasticsearch/reference/curr...

More on the concept: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prospective_search

data_ders3y ago· 1 in thread

_ben_3y ago

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