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0 pointsvecter3y ago0 comments

Relying on VPs to do every front-line job in order to identify and fix problems would indicate that something is fundamentally broken at the company. That should never be the primary method by which a company identifies and fixes such problems.

As a former engineering manager, if someone on my team walked me through why getting PRs out to prod was an insane nightmare, I'd take note, work with them to gather evidence, and present it to my director and try to escalate it to the point where we could take action to improve it. If the VP is any good at their job, they'll listen and work with us to fix it.

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carom3y ago· 1 in thread

If they aren't good at their job or it is status quo, they will brush it off. Sometimes it takes a new perspective to say what the fuck is wrong with this?

As an example, I joined a company with ~8k employees recently. They over communicate on email. I get 50+ emails a day. I filter heavily. My inbox is still unusable due to the volume of automated junk. I raised this issue in Slack and the majority of responses were just "well, that's how it is".

I am sure the development process has very similar deficiencies that I am blind to because I participate in it everyday.

vecterOP3y ago

> If they aren't good at their job or it is status quo, they will brush it off.

In your example, you rely on them to be even better: you assume that they'll be a competent engineer and be able to understand the complexities of day-to-day software development by making a toy PR when many of them haven't done it for years for decades. That's a much stronger assumption than the one that I'm making: that a good VP will listen to their subordinates.

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