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0 pointsedgyquant3y ago0 comments

Right, the point is that the main article links only to the conspiracy theory and not that article. If it linked to that article people hearing e.g. Jordan Peterson use the term and then googling might be given a history of Marxist theory being applied to culture. Instead they see only that it’s an anti-Semitic right wing conspiracy theory. It’s made worse by the fact that “Marxist cultural analysis” is mentioned in the second paragraph on the “main” conspiracy page but not as a link.

Regardless of belief, and I’m by no means a right winger, do you not see how this will sway the opinion of anyone who googled the term cultural Marxism?

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magicalist3y ago

> If it linked to that article people hearing e.g. Jordan Peterson use the term and then googling might be given a history of Marxist theory being applied to culture. Instead they see only that it’s an anti-Semitic right wing conspiracy theory

Capital C, capital M "Cultural Marxism" and "Marxist theory being applied to culture" are two different things.

As a parallel, should https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_agenda actually link to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_studies? There are gender studies academics who work to normalize gay and trans people within popular culture (sorry, "establish[ing] a counter-hegemony within the existing cultural hegemony, thereby subverting it"). Saying that any gender theory being applied to culture should be categorized under the gay agenda would still be a category error.

edgyquantOP3y ago

The real theory page, Marxist cultural analysis, is mentioned by name in the first paragraph of the conspiracy but not linked. I don’t know how wide spread this is on Wikipedia but there are a few of these examples that are very concerning and if our court system is utilizing it as suggested that is a worry.

Yet another issue that mass information has created that solutions haven’t yet come up with.

>As a parallel, should https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_agenda actually link to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_studies?

This is not even close to a parallel scenario and borders on bad faith.

magicalist3y ago

> The real theory page, Marxist cultural analysis, is mentioned by name in the first paragraph of the conspiracy but not linked.

I only see

> "Cultural Marxism" redirects here. For "cultural Marxism" in the context of social theory and cultural studies, see Marxist cultural analysis.

and "Marxist cultural analysis" is definitely linked.

>> As a parallel, should https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_agenda actually link to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_studies?

> This is not even close to a parallel scenario and borders on bad faith.

Conflating a specific set of accusations of supposed degeneracy eating away at the base of western culture with a wider academic discipline that includes studying/discussing said "degeneracy" seems appropriate to me but maybe you can be more specific about why you think they aren't parallel?

chjj3y ago

> (sorry, "establish[ing] a counter-hegemony within the existing cultural hegemony, thereby subverting it")

To be clear: you realize you're paraphrasing Gramsci, not quoting me, right?

magicalist3y ago

Obviously. Helps crystalize the parallel.

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magicalist3y ago

Capital C, capital M "Cultural Marxism" and "Marxist theory being applied to culture" are two different things.

edgyquantOP3y ago

Yet another issue that mass information has created that solutions haven’t yet come up with.

>As a parallel, should https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_agenda actually link to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_studies?

This is not even close to a parallel scenario and borders on bad faith.

magicalist3y ago

> The real theory page, Marxist cultural analysis, is mentioned by name in the first paragraph of the conspiracy but not linked.

I only see

> "Cultural Marxism" redirects here. For "cultural Marxism" in the context of social theory and cultural studies, see Marxist cultural analysis.

and "Marxist cultural analysis" is definitely linked.

>> As a parallel, should https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_agenda actually link to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_studies?

> This is not even close to a parallel scenario and borders on bad faith.

chjj3y ago

> (sorry, "establish[ing] a counter-hegemony within the existing cultural hegemony, thereby subverting it")

To be clear: you realize you're paraphrasing Gramsci, not quoting me, right?

magicalist3y ago

Obviously. Helps crystalize the parallel.

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse