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0 pointstraceroute663y ago0 comments

> easier to install than Go

Huh?!?!?!

I don't know about Rust (I know they like their install script), but for Go you can download a pre-compiled binary and you're instantly up and running. That option is not exactly hidden[1].

You don't even have to use an OS installer, e.g. for Linux/Mac you can download a .tar.gz file[1] unzip it anywhere and just run "go" based commands to compile stuff immediately (maybe adding it to your $PATH to make life easier).

But really. Go is a million times quicker and smaller than usual bunch of stuff you need to install to get a C thing compiled (and that's just the standard tools, before we start talking about random stuff like Meson or Ninja)

The point I was making is that Ipcalc is a simple CLI utility. It doesn't need all the baggage that comes with C compiling. Its practically made for Rust or Go.

You can also easily cross-platform compile with Go. Try that with C without jumping through hoops !

[1] https://go.dev/dl/

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broknbottle3y ago· 3 in thread

Lol you have to setup the necessary build directories bin,src,etc and environment variables before using golang from tarball e.g. GOROOT, GOPATH, GOPROXY=direct or you’re gonna run into issues. Golang is easily the most overcomplicated when it comes to setup the of the dev environment.

metadat3y ago

It wasn't always like this, in the early days you only needed GOROOT and GOPATH. Nowadays there are numerous hidden envvar toggles like GOPROXY and GOMODULES111.

Even still, this doesn't seem more difficult than installing and learning how to use ninja and / or meson build.

soraminazuki3y ago

It's only two commands, clearly stated in the docs. No configuration required.

    meson setup build
    ninja -C build

It's not like meson or ninja is an obscure tool either, contrary to what this thread suggests. They're both popular C/C++ build tools along with cmake.

metadat3y ago

True.

jeroenhd3y ago

Perhaps "install" is the wrong word.

I want my software to be upgraded through the normal means. I don't want to monitor the Go website for new versions and I don't want the tools themselves to phone home with update checks (especially if Google is behind them).

I now notice that Ubuntu packages golang-go in their repositories, so I suppose Go is on par with Meson and Ninja. Strange that they don't mention that on their download page, though.

> You can also easily cross-platform compile with Go. Try that with C without jumping through hoops !

Clang has "--target=arm-linux-gnueabihf" to cross compile to ARM. You might need to go more specific (i.e. "--target=riscv64 -march=rv64gc" for specific RISCV configurations) but it's just a single command line flag. With GCC/G++ you need the dedicated compiler packaged separately to save space, but you'd use environment variables (export CC="arm-linux-gnueabihf-gcc"; export CXX="export CC="arm-linux-gnueabihf-g++").

The only difficulty you'd run into is when you want to dynamically link the produced binary (because you need a compatible .so to link against). You'll have the same problem in any language, though.

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metadat3y ago

It wasn't always like this, in the early days you only needed GOROOT and GOPATH. Nowadays there are numerous hidden envvar toggles like GOPROXY and GOMODULES111.

Even still, this doesn't seem more difficult than installing and learning how to use ninja and / or meson build.

soraminazuki3y ago

It's only two commands, clearly stated in the docs. No configuration required.

    meson setup build
    ninja -C build

It's not like meson or ninja is an obscure tool either, contrary to what this thread suggests. They're both popular C/C++ build tools along with cmake.

metadat3y ago

True.

jeroenhd3y ago

Perhaps "install" is the wrong word.

I now notice that Ubuntu packages golang-go in their repositories, so I suppose Go is on par with Meson and Ninja. Strange that they don't mention that on their download page, though.

> You can also easily cross-platform compile with Go. Try that with C without jumping through hoops !

The only difficulty you'd run into is when you want to dynamically link the produced binary (because you need a compatible .so to link against). You'll have the same problem in any language, though.

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