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0 pointspfdietz3y ago0 comments

Or, you know, we move industry out to be closer to the PV fields. Globally, energy intensive industry probably moves to places like Chile with very high insolation. Too bad, Europe.

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tedk-423y ago

This is wrong. Steel manufacturing happens near ports.

We can't shift cities to electricity generation. We historically choose population centres in places with optimal conditions like having good water flow or natural protection with mountain ranges or good level land.

Most industry needs access to transport with shipping being the cheapest.

pfdietzOP3y ago

We can shift production from port cities with expensive energy to port cities with cheap energy.

PeterisP3y ago

A good example is aluminum production in Iceland, which has a disproportionally huge aluminum refining industry (it makes almost as much aluminum as the whole of USA despite having literally 1000 times smaller population) simply due to the availability of cheap energy and access to ocean shipping.

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vineyardmike3y ago

> out to be closer to the PV fields

All those crazy people moving to AZ and NV in the US did something right. Their energy costs to AirCon is going to need it.

But actually this seems like it would position well certain parts of the US that are growing (sun belt).

UncleEntity3y ago

It helps out a bunch that there is a nuclear power plant outside of Phoenix and the Hoover dam in Vegas generating all kinds of carbon-free electricity to power the air conditioning.

pfdietzOP3y ago

That NPP evaporates large amounts of water (obtained from the waste water stream of the area). It would probably be better for Phoenix if it were replaced with non-thermal generation and the water reused for other purposes.

adrianN3y ago

You'd need to move the people too. That can work, but it will take some time to do.

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tedk-423y ago

This is wrong. Steel manufacturing happens near ports.

Most industry needs access to transport with shipping being the cheapest.

pfdietzOP3y ago

We can shift production from port cities with expensive energy to port cities with cheap energy.

PeterisP3y ago

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vineyardmike3y ago

> out to be closer to the PV fields

All those crazy people moving to AZ and NV in the US did something right. Their energy costs to AirCon is going to need it.

But actually this seems like it would position well certain parts of the US that are growing (sun belt).

UncleEntity3y ago

It helps out a bunch that there is a nuclear power plant outside of Phoenix and the Hoover dam in Vegas generating all kinds of carbon-free electricity to power the air conditioning.

pfdietzOP3y ago

adrianN3y ago

You'd need to move the people too. That can work, but it will take some time to do.

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