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0 pointsibz3y ago0 comments

> Trying to curb Russia during the war the best they can. > Because we need not to forget that Europe is at war

Europe is not at war. Or at least it wasn't until some politicians decided it was their business to intervene in somebody else's war. This is certainly against their own citizen.

I am an EU citizen myself and I did not consent to join this war.

> Not predicting Russian Imperial dreams of ruling the Europe?

Sorry, but that was never the case and will never be the case.

> Throwing nuclear out the window and becoming so dependent on Russian gas?

Bingo! However, that was not Russia's fault. It was definitely self-sabotage.

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AndrewThrowaway3y ago· 2 in thread

> Europe is not at war.

Do you consider Ukraine not Europe? What is it then?

> I am an EU citizen myself and I did not consent to join this war.

You need to be naïve to think that anybody "consents" to a war.

> > Not predicting Russian Imperial dreams of ruling the Europe?

> Sorry, but that was never the case and will never be the case.

Please refer to any rhetoric from Russian ruling class e.g. https://tass.com/politics/1432657 "the creation of an open Eurasia from Lisbon to Vladivostok".

My guess would be that you are "sitting far from the war" and thinking that it is not yours. However countries in the beginning of WWII had exactly the same sentiments - "we are far and it is not ours". Until it knocks on your door. This is why EU reacts, EU wants to solve this while it is not so close.

ibzOP3y ago

I am very close to the war - my country borders Ukraine, however - Ukraine is an independent entity and their war is none of my business. If I can get cheaper gas in Russia I will continue to do so. This is an open market and I don't see how self-sabotage (choosing to not buy the cheaper gas from Russia) benefits anyone, nor how it helps Ukraine. Russia can always choose to sell somewhere else (India, China) so less demand from the EU will not hurt them much.

> Do you consider Ukraine not Europe? What is it then?

What kind of argument is this? Just because this entity is geographically part of the same region as my country doesn't mean I need to choose anything less than the best deal I can get on any products from wherever I choose.

AndrewThrowaway3y ago

So if you see your neighbor beating his wife you of course say nothing. You are still greeting your neighbor everyday and buying eggs from his chicken farm.

If his wife wants to leave, it is completely understandable and acceptable that he wants to kill her.

HN is not a place for arguments like this but I am sorry to say to you that you are naïve, self-serving and seem to lack any values.

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mdp20213y ago

> This is certainly against their own citizen

That is against /some/ of their own citizens - which since the rushed invention of politics (management of conflicting interests and ideals) is what is normal, so there is no news there.

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