It is very clear where you stand from the first post. My comments are not to persuade you away from the blood you imply has to be shed. I comment to provide a different angle, angle where certain principles and values which are the greatest accomplishment of the west are not denounced and ignored in the self-righteous campaign against self-induced 'evil'. For that, the proper force-field of the situation has to be taken into account...
In general we have to get this wrong logic out of any meaningful discussion, the false logic that uncovering/admitting error is the same as discovering a truth. It is not so. We can very well be both wrong, in a degree or kind.
By saying that US actively, purposefully and with full knowledge that its actions/policies will lead to this conflict engaged in them, does not mean that RU aggression is justified by that fact. It is simply matter of consequence, not of morality (states have no morals, they have interests). The moral dimension is only used against civilian population by powers-to-be to confuse them and do their bidding for them (Herman Goering during Nuremberg trials summarized it well before committing suicide).
In other words, West is waging a (proxy) war against RU through UA, which is the bottom line. This is by self-admission by eg. Max Boot of WP (washington post) or many such articles in the New-Yorker (Robing Wright), or even top politicians representative like Seth Moulton (US congressman) openly said it is a proxy war. I can quote perhaps 3-4 dozens of other studies, documentaries, or articles going back years. Btw: Amy Goodman of democracy now has a nice peace on this as well. Basically, the proxy war idea is now normalized and put into moral dimension in the minds of people, and your own comments echo this narrative that has been craftily put up for you.
Nevertheless, the point is that by starting from the proper recognition of the force-fields of this conflict, the dialogue between us (and much more importantly among elite decision makers) will change. It is irresponsible to use frivolously remarks about total war as the best option out of the given situation. It is not in anyone's interest (civilian population anywhere on the planet). To not explore way to peace, to diplomacy and principle of non-aggression from either party (UA military is not innocent of war-crimes despite lack of reporting in the west) is irresponsible by free citizens of humanity and civilization. That is it. Eventually, when enough civilians are dead on either or both sides the war will cease. Why not to work toward stopping it before then?
