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0 pointsdmitriid4y ago0 comments

IIRC Apple doesn't do user testing because they know better.

I have 20/20 vision and I had to turn on contrast and button shapes, the new design is so bland and unreadable.

Macs have large screens and that's why... they changed all dialogs to be tall narrow boxes with center-aligned text?

Properly labeled color-differentiated icons are now indistinguishable grays crowding the title bar removing all affordances (from being recognizable to being able where you can drag the window).

Keyboard access is being removed or broken across all first-party apps.

Desktop metaphors like multiple columns, tabs etc. are removed in favor of tall narrow strips of gray text that surely look great on a screen that fits your palm. But that's not the screen Mac OS operates on.

The new designs break Apple's own HIGs and other recommendations like WCAG.

So please tell me what it is you like about new designs and, more importantly, what the hell is their purpose?

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Klonoar4y ago· 3 in thread

>IIRC Apple doesn't do user testing because they know better.

Citation needed...

>The new designs break Apple's own HIGs and other recommendations like WCAG.

You may have missed it, but they redid that HIG and released it during the latest WWDC. This train has left the station and it ain't backin' up.

>Keyboard access is being removed or broken across all first-party apps.

How about you... list some of these apps? I've been using macOS since Snow Leopard and all my muscle memory on the keyboard still works.

The newer designs feel smoother and less constrained, and don't fundamentally feel at odds with how I work.

I will, however, give you this point with little argument:

>I have 20/20 vision and I had to turn on contrast and button shapes, the new design is so bland and unreadable.

Someone needs to smack Apple UI designers upside the head and tell them to stop using 255,255,255,1 as the light mode color. With how good their screens are it's just way too much.

I use dark mode exclusively and maybe that's why I have less complaints?

dmitriidOP4y ago

> You may have missed it, but they redid that HIG and released it during the latest WWDC.

They didn't redo it, they redesigned it. All the recommendations they are breaking are still there.

> How about you... list some of these apps? I've been using macOS since Snow Leopard and all my muscle memory on the keyboard still works.

Except Messages all of their new first party apps have horrible to no keyboard access: Home, Music, App Store...

> The newer designs feel smoother and less constrained

How can it be less constrained when they literally crammed toolbar items into less space and redesigned dialog to be narrow? :)

Edit: there's of course more, as evidenced by the redesign of System Preferences: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31746133 And IIRC they are not properly keyboard accessible either.

Klonoar4y ago

>They didn't redo it, they redesigned it.

My point is that they have clearly acknowledged it's a thing and that it matters.

>Music

I really don't get your point here... I'm listening to Music right now and just spent a few minutes trying to use the keyboard. I don't really feel unable to do so.

>How can it be less constrained when they literally crammed toolbar items into less space and redesigned dialog to be narrow? :)

The dialog that they're... expanding in Ventura? Where they acknowledged it should be bigger for certain cases? I've not been bothered by it in Big Sur/Monterey otherwise since most apps (understandably) aren't cramming shit in there anyway.

You're welcome to dislike change, I just think you're really stretching here.

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saagarjha4y ago

Just because Apple has put something in their HIG doesn’t mean they’ll keep it there.

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