If the expected outcome of an attempted mass shooting is a quick and ignominious death it will be a major deterrent.
Teachers and administrators have been voluntarily carrying concealed firearms in Utah for roughly a decade.
Imagine the chaos of multiple people with guns trying to take down an assailant with the police involved. Who are the good guys here? Friendly fire happens with cops accidentally shooting hostage victims occasionally and they are well trained.
Do civilians really know how to deal with hostage scenarios?
Do teachers want to carry firearms to protect elementary school students?
Are the school districts going to pay for training and armament?
What if a teacher attacks the children in their class? What if a student carries a weapon to the school and creates a hostage situation? (You eliminated a gun free zone).
Assailants can be better armed than teachers and they can wear armor, which teachers/security personnel will not be equipped with. (See Buffalo massacre)
These are just off the top of my head. I would like to hear a security analyst take on it.
https://monsterhunternation.com/2015/06/23/an-opinion-on-gun...
Edit: and let me just respond to one thing
> You are making bad assumptions here
I'm not just making assumptions. This is the conclusion I come to from reading firearms experts like the one I just linked, sociological analysis of gun ownership, use of force law, etc.
I'm not saying a chaotic situation like that couldn't happen, but that can be prepared for, and the result would still be a significant net positive.
A firearms expert is not the same as a physical security specialist who can do a full threat model on the pros/cons of arming teachers. The assumptions are “bad” primarily because they are overly optimistic. I have yet to read an pro gun analysis that states any downsides to this method proposed. They do not state any downsides at all. That gives me pause, it demonstrates lack of real physical security expertise.
Do these schools even have basic security reviews, district level security practices, crisis training, surveillance, lock down procedures, egress planning?
That all requires funding from tax payers. Is Gov. Abott going to fund that across Texas?
The strategy seems to be arm teachers (conceal carry)and shooter will either get killed or avoid the situation entirely. It is hard to know what a enraged psycho will do. You have to plan for it.
Read the play by play for the Ulvade shooting. The shooter entered from an unsecured backdoor and barricaded himself in the classroom. It was a surprise attack in an enclosed space with tens of children. Total chaos. The teacher(s) most likely would not have time to respond even with training. Even safety officers (with training and arms) have been known to flee (see Parkland shooting). This has to factor into the analysis.
Once you are in a hostage situation the stakes are extreme and school teachers are not really prepared to deal with that. Two trained police officers were shot in the situation, there is no real hope for a teacher with a few hours on the shooting range. What are the ages of these random teachers, capabilities, fitness, etc? It is a total tossup. The assailant was just one 18 year old, what if there are two or more (see Columbine).
These simplistic solutions fall apart on quick review.
He spends quite a bit of time laying out his qualifications with regards to tactical and legal complexities of using a gun on another human being.
> He is not very articulate.
What exactly is your objection here? That he is plain spoken, or that he uses jargon you're unfamiliar with?
If you are merely critiquing his style that's rather superficial.
> The assumptions are “bad” primarily because they are overly optimistic.
I don't know what to tell you. It could go poorly. Physical security planning is a great idea, whether the teachers are armed or not. Training is also important, which CCW permits generally require, but even then the teachers aren't going to be highly trained. People often miss when are firing under pressure, or lose their courage and run. The teachers might merely be speed bumps to the shooter.
These are all true for any mass shooter scenario. The fact of the matter is, despite no central planning for any of that stuff, the presence of CCW permit holders putting up a fight reduces the the average number of people who die in a mass shooting. It is also clear that the potential presence of CCW holders deters mass shooters given that the vast majority of such shooting happen in gun free zones.
> These simplistic solutions fall apart on quick review
The right to self defense is a simple but robust solution to sporadic, unpredictable violence. It works despite all the possible ways it could fail because most violent crime is predicated on the expectation of little to no resistance.
To what extent have you studied criminology? How many relevant research papers have you read that have been published in the journals of the American Society of Criminology, which is the largest criminological organization in the US?
Why do you ask?
But the following facts I think make a good case to believe his is mistaken about this scenario:
- statistics on the utility of CCW in mass shooter scenarios
- the preference of mass shooters to target gun-free zones.
- the precedent of Utah allowing teachers with CCW for roughly 10 years without real incident.
It's certainly not the only step that should be taken to curb mass shootings in schools, but I think there's good evidence it will help.
.. oh it has happened already :D hahahah
Any solution to the problem of mass shooting in schools will have to work within that constraint.
Tell us again how giving a firearm to Betty the school lunch lady will help in any way ?
I know Betty the lunch lady is supposed to be a strawman of sorts, but women are actually pretty good shots. It's amazing how quickly criminals, even when they are armed and outnumber you, will fold once you present armed resistance[2].
[1] https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/police-man-shot-colorado...
[2] https://sandrarose.com/2016/09/georgia-woman-shoots-three-ho...
In the UK, where you're not allowed to use firearms to defend yourself, home invasions where someone is home is 64%. In the US, where it is permissible, home invasions where someone is home is 27.6%.
You're over twice as likely to be robbed while you're home in the UK as you are in the US. I'm sure the factors are complex, but knowing that you're actually risking your life when you break into a home in the US has to be one of the factors.
https://www.nimblefins.co.uk/home-insurance/burglary-statist... https://www.thezebra.com/resources/research/burglary-statist....