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0 pointsdtjb3y ago0 comments

This sounds like how a bunch of old dudes on HN see the "teenager world," with very adult interpretations. I also have teenagers and have worked in schools. I think there are two truths that this comment overlooks; 1) today's youth, generally speaking, are pretty impressive and resourceful, and 2) being a teenager has always sucked. Just because their experience is different doesn't mean it's worse. Every generation of teenagers has known awkwardness, stress, and confusion. All of these studies about how x is a million times worse these days often can be attributed to more accurate data and measurements.

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fleddr3y ago

Fully wrong, which you would have known had you bothered to read it. Additional data does NOT account for the increase in mental health issues.

dtjbOP3y ago

I read the posted paper. Please point out where the authors factor in improvements to how we elicit, diagnose, and catalog mental health problems today. I was specifically looking for it and couldn't find it. The paper mentions the historical increase in 1.2 and 1.3 but offers no context or mitigation for long-term improvements in mental health reporting. Their NYTimes source in that section only goes back one decade and starts right off with an exploding upward trend. That could absolutely be attributed to improved reporting standards when the problem got attention, but the authors don't acknowledge any impact of reporting improvements.

My parent comment was based on my experience as a teenager, compared to the very different way my teenage children are monitored and evaluated for mental health. It's night and day.

zoul3y ago

“1.2. The crisis is not a result of changes in the willingness of young people to self-diagnose, nor in the willingness of clinicians to expand terms or over-diagnose. We know this because the same trends occurred, at the same time, and in roughly the same magnitudes, in behavioral manifestations of depression and anxiety, including hospital admissions for self-harm, and completed suicides.”

fleddr3y ago

Look up the video where the researcher summarizes his research to congress (I think it's congress), there he explicitly goes into this point.

t-33y ago

Mental health being a thing probably does though. I'm 31, and even when I was a kid, mental health issues were very stigmatized. Nowadays, they're not. Why wouldn't you expect more mental health issues?

fleddr3y ago

The point is not that there isn't more willingness to report mental health issues, the point is that the research already accounted for that effect, and it doesn't change the conclusion.

mensetmanusman3y ago

“All of these studies about how x is a million times worse these days often can be attributed to more accurate data and measurements.”

This sounds like the old ‘everyone was blind back then, but now we have glasses!’

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fleddr3y ago

Fully wrong, which you would have known had you bothered to read it. Additional data does NOT account for the increase in mental health issues.

dtjbOP3y ago

My parent comment was based on my experience as a teenager, compared to the very different way my teenage children are monitored and evaluated for mental health. It's night and day.

zoul3y ago

fleddr3y ago

Look up the video where the researcher summarizes his research to congress (I think it's congress), there he explicitly goes into this point.

t-33y ago

fleddr3y ago

The point is not that there isn't more willingness to report mental health issues, the point is that the research already accounted for that effect, and it doesn't change the conclusion.

mensetmanusman3y ago

“All of these studies about how x is a million times worse these days often can be attributed to more accurate data and measurements.”

This sounds like the old ‘everyone was blind back then, but now we have glasses!’

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