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0 pointswolverine8764y ago0 comments

Isn't that the reactionary response to all innovation, such as in tech? 'That's not the way we do it.'

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There's a gradient between "there's a reason we do things this way and you should understand it before you try to change it" and "don't roll your own notation."

evilotto4y ago

https://wiki.lesswrong.com/wiki/Chesterton%27s_Fence

_moof4y ago

It rhymes with it, sure. The key difference is that the phenomenon I'm talking about comes from people who haven't taken the time to understand the problem, or they come up with "solutions" that have already been tried and found not to work. The reactionary, conversely, is simply afraid: of change, that they won't be able to learn the new thing, of not being important because they aren't the one who came up with it, of losing status gained from being an expert in the old thing, etc.

vintermann4y ago

There are solutions that have been tried and found to work very well. The American shape note system made 3 and 4 part harmony singing something the whole congregation could take part in, rather than just an elite choir. Lars Roverud's digit notation system (and the system to teach it) did a similar thing for singing in Scandinavia. They fell out of favour not because they didn't work, but because professional musicians and teachers saw it as a crutch instead of a system in its own right, and kept pushing for graduating to "real" notation.

scrozier4y ago

Shape note notation doesn't, and doesn't try to, replace traditional notation, which is what Clairnote is trying to do.

wolverine876OP4y ago

> The key difference is that the phenomenon I'm talking about comes from people who haven't taken the time to understand the problem, or they come up with "solutions" that have already been tried and found not to work.

IME, that is a common 'reactionary' response. Often the problem has changed.

mkr-hn4y ago

Notation has changed, adapted, expanded, contracted, and even spun off for different and new aspects of the problem.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musical_notation#Variations_on...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musical_notation#Other_systems...

There are some grognards out there who hate even this, and they're way too influential in traditional music education, but notation hasn't been static and unchanging all these centuries. A lot of that resistance is from people who believe their idealized notion of their culture is superior and resist any exposure to new ideas: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kr3quGh7pJA

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mkr-hn4y ago

There's a gradient between "there's a reason we do things this way and you should understand it before you try to change it" and "don't roll your own notation."

evilotto4y ago

https://wiki.lesswrong.com/wiki/Chesterton%27s_Fence

_moof4y ago

vintermann4y ago

scrozier4y ago

Shape note notation doesn't, and doesn't try to, replace traditional notation, which is what Clairnote is trying to do.

wolverine876OP4y ago

IME, that is a common 'reactionary' response. Often the problem has changed.

mkr-hn4y ago

Notation has changed, adapted, expanded, contracted, and even spun off for different and new aspects of the problem.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musical_notation#Variations_on...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musical_notation#Other_systems...

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